I just got the word back the other day from the guys at Arcadia Magazine and I am proud to announce that for this years Arcadia/Enterbrain 5th Annual Tougeki aka 'Super Battle Opera' tournament, Australia will be holding a qualifying tournament with direct entry spots into the main event for the following games:
1. Virtua Fighter 5 (3v3)
2. Tekken 5 Dark Ressurection (3v3)
3. Street Fighter III 3rd Strike (3v3)
SBO will be held in Tokyo, Japan over 3 days from Friday August 10th to Sunday August the 12th.
So to repeat... Australia has 1 spot in each game listed above for SBO5 in 2007. All 3 games are team tournaments. (3v3)
The Australian SBO Qualifiers will be held in central Sydney on Saturday May the 5th. The venue for this event has yet to be finalised. Game format will be as follows:
1. VF5 - PS3 (Singles tournament, double elimination best 2/3, top 3 players qualify)
2. T5: DR - PS3 (3v3 team tournament, double elimination, top team qualifies)
3. SF3: 3S - Arcade/CPS3 (3v3 team tournament, double elimination, top team qualifies)
*Pad players... please note that BOTH PS3 tournaments will be arcade stick only, no control pads!
More details like entry fee cost, venue etc will be released within the next 2 weeks. However if you intend to come to Sydney for this the date for the qualifiers are set as shown above so you can plan around it accordingly. Crimson and saiyuk will be working with me to ensure that the Tekken side of things runs smoothly, If you have any questions feel free to post them below and they or I will do my best to answer them.
This is excellent news Daine, we really really appreciate the work you guys have done for this so again thank you very much. Me and Bryce will be sure to get things done smooth and proper
shouldnt team selection matches be like 1v1 and top 3 get through
is it an SBO rule? that country qualifications are team based?
curious cause:
if say u run a 3v3 with top team getting through wouldnt u theoretically get a team of say no.1 ranked player + 2 mediocre players. So for a country to be represented (especially since we onli got one spot) we need the best 3 players not just the best 3 that would play together on a sunday arvo.
i wouldnt make it either way but would like to c aus's best players representing us. ie run DR like the 3s tourney
Lostprophet1 or Abi dude: PM me your email if you use msn...
It will be a 3v3 tournament for a number of reasons:
1. There is a MUCH higher chance of the best players going through rather then a mediocore.
2. 2nd and 3rd place runners up dont determine they should qualify....think about the logic...
3. There may not be time to hold more then one tournament
4. Teamwork is another important aspect of doing well, players should be confident with their teammates and do well with each others gameplay and support.
Sydneys top players also agree to the 3v3 qualifer and will discuss which teams to make according to this but there only seems to be problems with interstates at this stage...
Last edited by Crimson {Erks} on Feb 28th, 2007 at 20:53
This is fantastic news.. though im a little disapointed that we cant use pad, that kinda counts me out.
I will say this though, holding a tournament seems like the logical way to see who gets to go, but is it really the most logical way?
If australia IS been represented i would want the best players to go and represent my country.. holding a tournamet is like having a lucky dip.. sure the best players on the day get to go to SBO, but are they really the best players? or just the better players on the day?
I say everyone should vote who they feel is the 3 best arcade players in australia. I cant say much for melbourne and brisbane since i dont live there, but you only have to look at our last national tournaments to see who the better state is, i think everyone can agree on that.. that been said my pick for the best 3 players would be..
Bryce
Andrew
Leon
with backup hwan and wonkeun
That IMO is probably THE BEST TEAM australia can produce on arcade.
Personaly i dont want to compromise, the chance we have to represent our country..
i would be so pissed to see a shittier team go.
sorry, just pasionate about australia.
but in all seriousness if you agree with me or not, surely you can see my point.
Good point that Tony makes. I mean the tourney on Sunday is a 3vs3 but we can't only base our decision on the best team from one tourney result.
We're only at the beginning of March. We still have a few months ahead of us for SBO. We should hold more tourneys to see who is consistent and who maintains a high level of play at different situations and times.
I don't know how this will go down and I really wish our best 3 players can make it to Japan but one thing I know. If we go against Team No-Respectooooooo we have to fucking win or I'm gonna send in a massive group of suicide terrorists and let them do their worst. I'll probably join them. Anyway, all the best to all.
Tony-T: I see your point aswell and agreee with you to a certain extent.I too want Aus to be represeneted hardcore at SBO and would want a strong team to go. But the whole tournament compared to a lucky dip IMO is a bit wrong. Generally, top players will do well in a tournament and given that this is SBO qualifications, people are going to be mindful and aren't just going to smack any groups of people together. If Bryce, Andrew, and Leon are the best in Sydney put them in a Team together and see how the go in the qualifications.
Also, if you were to pick players from past national results, you'd have the following options.
1. Hysteria
2. Snap (QLD)
3. Gerry
4. Andrew
5. Cyrax (VIC)
5. Catfish (QLD)
Hysteria winning the nationals doesn't mean that Sydney is automatically the best state(though they probably are). Keep in mind that the results are almost a year old in which time people may have gotten better/worse and the fact the alot of good players may have not entered the tournament.
So yeah I agree with you but jusk asking that you take a few of these things into consideration. Melbourne-wise I think the top arcade players would be Jack, Kelli, Jonno, myself and a few others and out of all of us only Kelli attended OHN last year.
Last edited by Lostprophet1 on Feb 28th, 2007 at 12:45
I was talking to Erks earlier about this when he told me the news...
What I thought of was to do a 3v3 tourney obviously... and post-tourney, offer people who have a chance (well, realistically have a decent chance) to challenge the members of the winning team to a ft10 with each member. Obviously can't let every single player do this, but say, hypothetically you have a team like the one Tony posted (Andrew/Bryce/Leon) and the 2nd place team in the 3v3 tourney might be Hwan/Hysteria/Park (or Cyrax/Abi/Jack) or whatever... obviously the standard is pretty close at the top 3-4 teams and as with any team tourney you have members who get carried... and members of teams who do the carrying... so if you really were deserving of a spot in team Australia shouldn't you be able to hold your own in a ft10?
Obviously this is still a rough idea... but if a challenging player managed to do very well (again hypothetically, say the winning team is the one Tony posted again, and Hysteria challenges and loses 10-8 to Andrew, loses 10-9 to Bryce and beats Leon 10-2 or something) then I think there's a serious chance that Hysteria may be more deserving of the 3rd spot than Leon in that situation...
I dunno, it's the only way I could think of to make the team selection a bit fairer IMO. I think in the end it'll never be 100% fair, but we can at least try get as close as we can.
Haha Tony, if you really think about your statement in proportion... looking at the final 8, you have 5/8 sydney, 2/8 QLD and 1/8 VIC... but when there are 40-ish sydney entrants, 9-10 QLD entrants (2 that forfeited on the day due to sickness as well) and only 1 VIC entrant... hehe
Note that I'm not saying QLD or VIC is stronger than sydney (I think it's pretty clear sydney has the strongest tekken scene), I'm just making fun of your statement
QuoteOriginally posted by Tuan
This is for Catfish especially, I don't know where you get the stats of Hysteria beating Leon 10-2 from but I am in Sydney therefore I know a lot better.
QuoteOriginally posted by Catfish
Obviously this is still a rough idea... but if a challenging player managed to do very well (again hypothetically, say the winning team is the one Tony posted again, and Hysteria challenges and loses 10-8 to Andrew, loses 10-9 to Bryce and beats Leon 10-2 or something ) then I think there's a serious chance that Hysteria may be more deserving of the 3rd spot than Leon in that situation ...
I don't know how catfish could have made it any clearer that it was a hypothetical example to illustrate a point. I'm sure you could sub in player A on team 1etc. if it worries you.
Haha Tony, if you really think about your statement in proportion... looking at the final 8, you have 5/8 sydney, 2/8 QLD and 1/8 VIC... but when there are 40-ish sydney entrants, 9-10 QLD entrants (2 that forfeited on the day due to sickness as well) and only 1 VIC entrant... hehe
Note that I'm not saying QLD or VIC is stronger than sydney (I think it's pretty clear sydney has the strongest tekken scene), I'm just making fun of your statement
that statements not accurate either. This is because the ratio of interstate guys who (bothered) to travel and enter were obviously at the top in their respective state ie. the 3 guys who got somewhere..
While the host state consisted of everyone, regardless of skill level.
If you want to post a proportion based stat, do it properly. I can't be bothered to work it out though.
Also from what i recall, the draw of the bracket made syd vs and knock each other out. correct me if im wrong here, but thats what i remember.
ps. i agree with andrew and bryce, 3rd spot is up in the air for me.
Hysteria/leon doesn't play much now?
In any event it matters little how the players are determined. No matter who goes the most successful player there may carry the team. The format doesn't change in Japan. If people who are sure they are the best three players don't make a team of their own accord than that demonstrates the plain and simple fact that there is no best three players.
Had nationals ever been hosted outside Sydney? How would Sydney players compete at an interstate tournament? In anything competitive you cannot take away the advantage of home ground, and the experience of touring players who have visited every national capitol in search of good games.
Personally I would hope that good players that have been around the country, and overseas as recently as possible do well. The thing I find the biggest surprise when playing in tournaments is the way some of the people I would expect to do well crumple under pressure.
Whatever happens, and however it is done there will be people who will not appreciate the end result. I am not going to be one of them. Good luck to all competitors and I trust the best team fit will win.
QuoteOriginally posted by TONY-T
I will say this though, holding a tournament seems like the logical way to see who gets to go, but is it really the most logical way?
I understand where you are coming from but at the end of the day part of having 'SBO Qualifiers' in the first place is to make people more aware of what SBO is and the Japanese competitive fighting game scene as a whole. As you know SBO is not some backyard tournament... hence like in Japan, teams will have to earn the right to get that spot to play in this tournament.
To make this clear now so that this point it put aside - there is no way we can just choose our top 3 players and then send them there without a qualifying tournament. There will be an SBO Qualifying tournament for all 3 games (3S, VF5 and T5DR) wether people like it or not. I am only forllowing orders from Japan... no qualifiers, no spot... it's that simple.
If there was no qualifying tournament then every other country out there would have SBO spots... the only reason Australia does is due to our ability (ozhadou) to run and hold events in a professional manner along with the contacts made during trips to Japan by various players myself included.
3S players face the same situation... we already know who the top 3 players are in this country and they are forming a team. 99.999999% chance that they will win the qualifiers but there is always that chance they will lose, if they do then so be it. If they can't handle the pressure of playing and winning to qualify for SBO then perhaps they should not be going in the first place. Everyone has bad days, but if players can't handle the pressure in a tournament environment then you shouldn't go. I was at SBO last year and the pressure there is HUGE... bigger than anything else I have seen in the competitive fighting game community.
As to some of the other points/questions raised... I will try get back to them all bit by bit, need to head out to work now.
QuoteOriginally posted by TSCeeeee
we already know who the top 3 players are in this country and they are forming a team. 99.999999% chance that they will win the qualifiers but there is always that chance they will lose, if they do then so be it.
I would love to know who they are.....
but I guess it is a private and confidental information >.>
Haha Tuan, learn to read before wasting all your own time responding to that. Oh btw, I'm Lone Wolf so I'm better than you
ok PLEASE don't take that statement seriously, if you do... no comment -_-;;
Gary don't be a tightass, I was clearly just joking
QuoteOriginally posted by Aken
I would love to know who they are.....
but I guess it is a private and confidental information >.>
Aken, he is talking about Street Fighter 3 (aka '3S' or 'Third Strike'). and from what i remember, all 3 top players are from Melbourne.
That said, just like us, they must hold a qualifying tournament in order to 'choose' the team. In VF as well, which is somewhat amusing, as Australia only has about 3 VF players. it just happens that a couple of them are REALLY good and competitive on a global level.
Tuan - ur opinion stopped being relevant long ago. please leave my name out of your posts. keep calling me fat and arrogant if u like - cos everyone knows im arrogant (its all part of the charm baby) and noone really thinks im fat anymore. at least...i hope not. i lost like 10kg since i got my new knee.
anyways, me and hysteria have been fairly balanced lately julia-steve. park is quite terrible, and he shouldnt represent anything. god knows who jack is, but i would love to see him up here for the qualifiers, as well as a few other melbourne players who i think can cut it - and brisbane as well for that matter. if ppl from out of state are looking to put a team together, feel free to use this thread for now.
Now, noone here seems to think this is an all-expenses-paid trip to Japan, right? Remember, another function of the Qualifiers is to raise some funds to go to the winning members to help cover the cost of travelling to an international event. Sydney is now starting to try and raise funds for it through tournaments and whatever else we can think of, and we would love other scenes who want to see Australia represented (and especially those hoping to compete themselves) start to do the same.
AND LASTLY, please nothing but love for Daine aka TSCeee - its important to realise the ONLY reason we have this opportunity is because this guy has done it out of the goodness of his heart, and his love for competitive gaming. it is HIS contacts that made this possible, his efforts, passion and sweat that got the Arcadia guys to give us a chance, and his wheeling and dealing to look at potential teams. and he contacted me directly to try and coordinate a potential Tekken team as well. i wish i had been able to help him out, but it all comes down to the hard work of this man. and for that reason, if i manage to be one of the lucky ones to represent Australia, imma take him out for one hell of a night in Tokyo on behalf of us all. I know this shit-hot club in Harajuku, 3 floors, marquee DJs, the works.
QuoteOriginally posted by TSCeeeee
3S players face the same situation... we already know who the top 3 players are in this country and they are forming a team. 99.999999% chance that they will win the qualifiers but there is always that chance they will lose, if they do then so be it.
just wait my random Makoto will come and try to win some games
saiyuk reminded me that I forgot to say this, but yeah, firstly gotta give a huge thanks to TSCeeeee for sweating blood and tears to secure this SBO spot for Australia in tekken (and the other 2 games of course). I'm sure all of us will try make sure that this opportunity won't be put to waste.
Anyways, next suggestion from me...
3v3 again, but in a round robin format. I'm making the assumption here that we'll have 2 PS3s (possibly 3?) to be used on the day of the tourney, so it may be actually plausible to hold a round robin tourney. Obviously this means the number of teams allowed to enter should be limited, but I guess we can just hope that common sense will prevail and only players/teams who stand a reasonable chance of qualification, as well as seriousness and commitment to going to Japan to rep Australia will choose to enter. One way I can see this happening is with something like a $30-60 or whatever per team entry fee... since none of that money will be needed to go towards paying for matches, it'll be a sizable chunk to add to the funds for the winning teams' airfares...
As for the RR tourney... playing on 100% settings = hella fast games. In each 3v3 match the maximum number of games (barring double KOs) is 5, which in 100% I can't imagine going for longer than 15-20 minutes per match. If say... 6 teams entered (I seriously don't know how many people would try enter), that's 30 matches in total (5 per team), if run on 2 machines that's 15 matches per machine = 4 hrs, give or take an hr... and that's IF all matches go the distance (which I'm pretty sure they won't). Considering the idea of a RR tourney, it may be one of the "fairest" ways to find the strongest team since to become 1st place your team has to beat all the others...
Rough idea yet again, but just putting it out for consideration.
QuoteOriginally posted by Aken
I would love to know who they are.....
but I guess it is a private and confidental information >.>
Saiyuk is rite... actually the top 4players of 3S live in melbourne... (gay)
except one of them (OHN5 winner PaulT) will not be repping aus as he will stay in HK... the other 3 are all from melbourne...
as far as the teams go... they will most likely be that team of 3 repping aus...
QuoteOriginally posted by saiyuk
Aken, he is talking about Street Fighter 3 (aka '3S' or 'Third Strike'). and from what i remember, all 3 top players are from Melbourne.
...saiyuk...
wah I thought our benson was 1 of the best in 3rd strike O_O
anyway 3 vs 3 torni probly wont end up with dream team....
lets just hope who ever get to go do their best for us all XD
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