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Kane
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#1 “Quote” Edit Post
so... there's tidbits floating around, but no list anywhere... so I'm going to create one. this list is subject to change. the current arcade version is version I.

feel free to post changes so I can add them to the list. mods also feel free to update when I'm not around. pluses for buffs, minuses for nerfs.

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Asuka

+ f2 now flips on grounded opponents
- w!, RD, 1+4,2,4 no longer works - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ufv4ZFFmzk

Bears

- uf3 now -13, previously -11
- bf2+3 now -12
- df1212 now -11, previously -8
- d1+2 now -15, previously -16

Bob:

+damage buff on 2nd hit of d2,4 - https://clips.twitch.tv/SecretiveSp...rcupineImGlitch
+ ch ws1+2 now a combo starter
+ ch db3 new knd animation
+ db3 now -12, previously -13, now +14 on CH [nothing guaranteed]

Bryan

- qcb3 no longer gives a combo on CH
- qcb4 range nerf ?

Claudio

- f3 hitbox nerf ? - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDT...&t=1h12m37s
+ b2 STB gain seems faster https://youtu.be/LDTCRNcm9Hc?t=1h13m24s
+ Intentional pushback on 1+2 - was like Jack's df2 before https://youtu.be/LDTCRNcm9Hc?t=1h13m38s
+ stb d1,2 now NC

Devil Jin

- rage drive hellsweep is now -14, previously -13

Dragunov

- qcf3 now -5 on hit
- qcf1 now -3, previously -1
+ f1+2 now -9, previously -10

Eddy

- b1,4,3+4 no longer nc
- f4,3+4 no longer nc
- all versions of slippery kicks staggers on block [rlx 4~3, etc]
- hsp 1 [power crush] is -11, puts opp in crouch

- more changes in his own thread: http://www.tekkenzaibatsu.com/forum...threadid=132310

Gigas

+ db2 is now -14, +3 on hit http://imgur.com/a/ILUFn

Jack

+ db1 is +3 on hit, -11 on block ... previously +2 and -12
+ ch db2 new CH animation

Jin

+ cds 4 now gives a combo on hit [ws4, b21, 4,s! b3~f12 - 61 dmg]
- 123 now 0 on block [previously +1]
+ ff2 now -8, previously -11
+ 214 now +2 on hit, previously 0
- cd1 now -13, previously -12

Josie

- f2,4 now -13 [previously -12]

Katarina

+ CH df3+4 gives new low knd animation https://twitter.com/kyou_0409/status/861551832593645568
+ uf3 now -13 on block [previously -15]

Kazumi

+ b1,2 now -14 [was -15]
+ b4 hitbox buff and flips
+ fly 4,2 is now nc and the 4 knocks down only when the 2 is buffered in
+ 1+2 and bf21,1+2 tiger flips on grounded hits
+ ws1 now i12, previously i13
+ db4 now -12, previously -13

King

- fc,df1 now -12 [was -9]
- 1+2,1 now -13, apparently was -11 in earlier versions [although -13 in ttt2]

Lars

- fb21 now -18, was -16

Law

+ d23 now -15, previously -16

Lee

+/- wr+3,4 now +3 [was +2 OC], but no longer combos
+/- ws+2,3 now -14 [was -16], no longer combos [only free hit]
+ (2.1),4 now +10 on counterhit, recovers standing, thus guaranteeing i10 moves (previous game it recovered crouching, nothing was guaranteed).
+/- ssr+3+4 is now a mid, -11 on block however.
- ws+2,4 no longer KND
- u/b+3 now -13 [was -12 with pushback]
- ff+4 now - -5 [was 0 with blockstun]
- fc,df4 now -14, previously -13 [ttt2]
- d2 no longer CH stuns

Leo

- b1,4 tracking nerfed https://twitter.com/YOUKYSG/status/870251094269607936
- f1+2 now -17, previously -15

Lili

+ f4 is safe [-11 previously]
+ uf3+4,3 is safe [-11 previously]
- df3+4,3+4 now -7 [-4 previously]

Lucky Chloe

+ ws3 is -12 on block [previously -13]

Miguel

+ f4,2 now -13 [was -16]

LOTS of changes - dedicated changelist thread here http://www.tekkenzaibatsu.com/forum...347#post4813347

Nina

- f1+2 reduced pushback
- d124 now -14, previously -10

Raven

- fc,df3+4 no longer combos into rage art

Steve

- ext dck1 no longer launches [at least on nh] https://youtu.be/bVz0KVxyksc?t=6710

Last edited by Kane on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 20:57

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Originally posted by Lukmendes
I honestly wonder if Kane has a list of "Why Lili sucks" on his computer, to avoid having to write the same things over and over again .
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#2 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by Kane
Claudio

- f3 hitbox nerf ? - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDT...&t=1h12m37s

https://youtu.be/zFrY-VOnwk4?t=1m14s

It's the highest mid in the game. Feng's snake dash goes under it.

b2 STB gain seems faster
https://youtu.be/LDTCRNcm9Hc?t=1h13m24s

Intentional pushback on 1+2 - was like Jack's df2 before
https://youtu.be/LDTCRNcm9Hc?t=1h13m38s

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You forgot the Kazumi tiger shit at the wall, 1+2 and bf2 string

Raven qcf2 to f3+4 (Rage Drive) no longer works - Արծաթագույն պուճուր must be happy
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#3 “Quote” Edit Post
it looks like paul's shoulder hit before the f3 came out in that vid to me

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hmm. claudio's f3 definitely hits lili out of matterhorn and db4 ... I've been hit out of db4 many times, unless they changed the hitbox on it after ver C ..


hm yeah .. added kazumi flips
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Originally posted by Lukmendes
I honestly wonder if Kane has a list of "Why Lili sucks" on his computer, to avoid having to write the same things over and over again .
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#4 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by Kane
Eddy

- b1,4,3+4 no longer nc
- f4,3+4 no longer nc
- all versions of slippery kicks staggers on block [rlx 4~3, etc]
- hst 1 [power crush] is -14, puts opp in crouch


New moves:
- b+2,4.... m,h.. NC... S! move
- ws+1,4..m,h. S! string

- new mid kick, KND?

changes to T7 Eddy:
- RLX 4 is S! move
- 3~4,4,4.. now S! move
- HSP 1 Power Crush, KND on normal hit... does not seem to be a launcher anymore..

- CH d/f+4 knocks down.. at least u+3 is guaranteed

- old ss+2 is back.... (TTT2 Tiger's ss+2)
possibly gives +frames on block, possibly a CH launcher.

- RLX 4~3 launches the same way it was before TTT2.... I.e. easier to land combos, more combo freedom.

- b+2 is now done via b+1+2

- WS+2 is a normal launcher (previously on normal hit it caused a nosebleed knockdown thing on normal hit, and only became a full launcher on CH)

- u/f+3+4 cause S!... (I guess it counts as a launcher now? )


Rage Art: b+3+4
Rage Drive: f,f+3+4


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#5 “Quote” Edit Post
While it's not specificed, Markman said that Akuma got some buffs in the console release, so it's better to test Akuma stuff if there's another event.
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Kane
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#7 “Quote” Edit Post
since there are quite a lot of eddy changes, I put a link to his thread since it's already laid out.

I'll do the same for Lee if a thread gets created for his changes as well. I don't know lee well enough to recognize his changes
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Originally posted by Lukmendes
I honestly wonder if Kane has a list of "Why Lili sucks" on his computer, to avoid having to write the same things over and over again .
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#8 “Quote” Edit Post
nvm
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#9 “Quote” Edit Post
This is great for the characters.
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#10 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by lizanias
New moves:
- b+2,4.... m,h.. NC... S! move
- ws+1,4..m,h. S! string

- new mid kick, KND?

changes to T7 Eddy:
- RLX 4 is S! move
- 3~4,4,4.. now S! move
- HSP 1 Power Crush, KND on normal hit... does not seem to be a launcher anymore..

- CH d/f+4 knocks down.. at least u+3 is guaranteed

- old ss+2 is back.... (TTT2 Tiger's ss+2)
possibly gives +frames on block, possibly a CH launcher.

- RLX 4~3 launches the same way it was before TTT2.... I.e. easier to land combos, more combo freedom.

- b+2 is now done via b+1+2

- WS+2 is a normal launcher (previously on normal hit it caused a nosebleed knockdown thing on normal hit, and only became a full launcher on CH)

- u/f+3+4 cause S!... (I guess it counts as a launcher now? )


Rage Art: b+3+4
Rage Drive: f,f+3+4


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#11 “Quote” Edit Post
''Bryan: qcb3 no longer gives a combo on CH'' DAMN, that's heavy

Anything Jin related?
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#12 “Quote” Edit Post
I hate to pester folks about this, but I want to know a few things about Lars, Heihachi, Kazuya, Xiaoyu, and Josie in this version (as do many others for the characters they intend on playing...)
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#13 “Quote” Edit Post
https://youtu.be/bVz0KVxyksc?t=2h26m6s

Is there hope or was this off-axis?
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#14 “Quote” Edit Post
hmm I am pretty sure I saw ch ff4 launch in that version of t7 already ... maybe a fluke ?
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Originally posted by Lukmendes
I honestly wonder if Kane has a list of "Why Lili sucks" on his computer, to avoid having to write the same things over and over again .
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#15 “Quote” Edit Post
King FCdf+1 is -11........finally
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#16 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by S2_Dotoring
https://youtu.be/bVz0KVxyksc?t=2h26m6s

Is there hope or was this off-axis?


off-axis

bry ff4 doesnt need a nerf since its already -10 on block

they should nerf his damage off the wall.. way too good with his rd free taunt into his b1212121212 off the wall
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#17 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by S2_Dotoring
https://youtu.be/bVz0KVxyksc?t=2h26m6s

Is there hope or was this off-axis?


Mach Kick isn't actually in a CH state until later in the animation, which is what the Bryan on 2p tried to do.
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#18 “Quote” Edit Post
someone brought this up ... kaz [12]4,3 no longer ncc ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJszTfpkrcg&t=2m30s
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Originally posted by Lukmendes
I honestly wonder if Kane has a list of "Why Lili sucks" on his computer, to avoid having to write the same things over and over again .
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#19 “Quote” Edit Post
For a long time already i believe. I noticed that months ago. Same with jacks db1,1,1,1 2 thing that wallsplated if you didn't block low, i think both were gone in very first FR, or maybe even in vanilla.
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#20 “Quote” Edit Post
^ yeah the jacks thing I noticed in 7.0 ... didn't know about the kaz one though. I'll remove it from the list then if that had already been the case.
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Originally posted by Lukmendes
I honestly wonder if Kane has a list of "Why Lili sucks" on his computer, to avoid having to write the same things over and over again .

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