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hell-bottom
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#21 “Quote” Edit Post
d/b+3 DES f+1 got nerfed too -_-; ,

but chanel is still playing alisa (JC/Ali)and still kicking ass, i wonder why? the only buff she got is her CH 4 and CH 1,1 , versus a lot of nerfs and having no red bar damage and bad TA..
StringBean
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#22 “Quote” Edit Post
Messing around with some more shit today.
If you shorten your juggle before tagging in your partner,
she has more choices for an ender besides fff+1.

d/f2, f2, 1, f2, b21(~5 bob)ws21 (alisa)dash b24
b1, ws12, b21, (~5 bob)ws21 (alisa)dash b24

As a tag filler if you do b+3+4,3+4
Your tag partner can fill in something between the dynamic range..
Like Jack ff1+2,2 or bob b1,2

Depending on the tag partner you have,
you can ws+2(~5) into juggle if you dash first.

Her new fly cancel shit is pretty dope.
Yo Hell-bottom did you see Chanel's matches somewhere?

Last edited by StringBean on Nov 15th, 2011 at 06:23

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hell-bottom
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#23 “Quote” Edit Post
no videos, only pics and channel saying that (facebook).

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...e=1&theater

i wonder if she is not as bad as everyone thinks she is -_-; ..but i really doubt that, maybe he is just too good.
hell-bottom
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#24 “Quote” Edit Post
A new video by chanel was posted on that same group, check it out.

I wonder what is the notation and properties of that new string he abused.
Snap
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#25 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by hell-bottom


i wonder if she is not as bad as everyone thinks she is -_-; ..but i really doubt that, maybe he is just too good.


He's probably just scrub-bashing. I can post a pic of 40 wins but that doesn't mean that I or AK are god-like.
rgon_technical
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#26 “Quote” Edit Post
f+4 mid, tracks, 12
and is it really NC?
i don't use it much unless as a tag ender so i don't remember much
but gonna try to confirm it later ~~

will gonna try to play with that TA (ali) BUP4 ^^
its good if iyou could make ther opponent fly high enough as what jc did near the wall at the video

can someone point plase me to the b+3+4, 3+4 tech traps especially on wall?
im trying to confirm things and would like to know beforehand of the matter
so i can compare it with in TTT2. thanks in advance ^^
StringBean
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#27 “Quote” Edit Post
Yo hell-bottom thanks for the Chanel info!
If possible can you post that of him playing though?
I don't have a facebook so I can't view it. x_x
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hell-bottom
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#28 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by StringBean
Yo hell-bottom thanks for the Chanel info!
If possible can you post that of him playing though?
I don't have a facebook so I can't view it. x_x


No problem

http://www.facebook.com/video/video...128155210626721
StringBean
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#29 “Quote” Edit Post
Awesome thanks!
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Brennan
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#30 “Quote” Edit Post
Great stuff. Keep us informed if any more vids of Chanel do show up.
StringBean
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#31 “Quote” Edit Post
Since some of you have the TTT2 demo already..

What's her strongest juggles now without the tag character?
Her best damage for tag filler and wall combos?
Did the TTT2 demo reduce her damage from ff1+2,2, and d/f1,1?

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Kane
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#32 “Quote” Edit Post
sup stringbean,

I did some damage testing ... there are a few changes to alisa in TTT2. with the C08 patch, I am not sure if they changed df11 or ff1+2,2 or not ... I'm not there to test it ;P

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BR to TTT2:

b43: 19,18 ---> 20,18
1,1: 9,21 ---- > 9,20
[TTT2] f414 ---> 16,16,28

I also tested db1,3 and db1,4 ... but I forgot the numbers at work haha ... they are both around 35 damage though.

strongest combo so far is still the standard staple, with the new ender:

df2, b1, ws12, 1, b43,b! ffF414 = 74 dmg.
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#33 “Quote” Edit Post
Yo Derek!
Thanks for the dmg testing!

Yah, I'm not sure if they changed d/f1,1 and ff+1+2,2 in the C08 patch.
If I find a video of it before the patch I can compare it to the video I took the other night.
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Furb
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#34 “Quote” Edit Post
It is impossible to put a new ender after a tag filler. Isn't it? I need to check some fancy shit after b+3+4 3+4 filler. Are there any useful ways to use f+4,1,4? I can't find anything but juggle ender.
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#35 “Quote” Edit Post
hell-bottom are you in korea? I need someone to help me get to one of the ttt2 arcades on december 9. i'll be there just for a day, and i'd like to spend 4-5 hours at the arcade. =)
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Kane
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#36 “Quote” Edit Post
so ... after a LOT of games ... alisa's ws2, fly3, ws4, b21 juggle is the most inconsistent piece of shit ever now. the b21 pretty much ALWAYS misses.

although, now you can just do this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQFGjsxMZz8

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another random thing I found out ...

1+2+4 taunt now has an auto-mid/high block

Last edited by Kane on Nov 28th, 2011 at 04:29

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Originally posted by Lukmendes
I honestly wonder if Kane has a list of "Why Lili sucks" on his computer, to avoid having to write the same things over and over again .
Furb
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#37 “Quote” Edit Post
Fly3 now have much stricter timing in this juggle. You need to type it a little bit earlier than in BR. Anyway, it's still inconsistent. Looks like it's better to use a this new one (should be more damageable).

This taunt thing was in BR all the time.
Kane
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#38 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by Furb
Fly3 now have much stricter timing in this juggle. You need to type it a little bit earlier than in BR. Anyway, it's still inconsistent. Looks like it's better to use a this new one (should be more damageable).

This taunt thing was in BR all the time.


Yeah, the new juggle is very consistent and very easy...and yes its more dmg heh.

Hmm i didnt know about the taunt autoblock...i thought i remember getting hit out of that before..
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I honestly wonder if Kane has a list of "Why Lili sucks" on his computer, to avoid having to write the same things over and over again .
Furb
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#39 “Quote” Edit Post
I think that many statements about her weaknesses and nerfs are overreacted at this moment. But movement nerf is much more noticable than i thought. I feel like I can't SS like 70% more moves than in BR. Regardless of those issues, I still belive that she is able to stand up against other characters as well as in BR.
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#40 “Quote” Edit Post
Spent several hours in prologue. Among some of the things I noticed:

Nerfs:

- 1,1 huge nerf in damage AND frames wtf. Can barely get anything after now.

- BD nerf. Very noticeable, BDC basically seems to get her nowhere fast now. SS and SW seems the same to me?

- Stuff you guys already mentioned, WS2, FLY3 combo etc. Not nerfed but changed, maybe for the better?

- Not really a nerf, but it's frustrating that she has no fast tag cancel launchers AT ALL. Sure, she never had one before, but BR was not a tag game so she got away with D/F2 launcher all day. And the tag cancelable stuff she does have makes your opponent fly far, far away.

Buffs:

- New string is badass. NC string (wow), good damage, great juggle ender, first hit is a fast tracking mid? Mind=blown.

- General hitbox tweaks are noticeable. Combos like D/F2, B1, WS1, 2, F1, D/B2, 2 wall carry now work much more consistently on even small characters. D/B2, 2 seems to have had its hitboxes tweaked.

- FLY cancels are fun. BACKUP stance additions also fun to mess with, dunno how useful they will really be atm. BACKUP3 is safe?

- D2, 4 can now go into DES after. Maybe replace 3, 2~DES at the wall now, or even out in the open for new DES oki options?

- ALL her dashing movement in DES stance is stupid fast now, didn't even notice it til later in the night. Play BR Alisa in DES, then put in Prologue and you will notice a big difference in DES. DES actually might be useful for something other than wall stuff now. Try DES and start doing back flips, she flips end to end almost immediately, fun to just run away, then when they chase, DES3+4, DES1 for quick wide SS to KD if it connects. Really gonna put that move to good use. Also I think I have some uses for DES B2, 1...

- Faster DES movement now makes the DES F1+2 (blocked), DES1 trap into DES F,F, DES 1+2 diving back hit even more effective now. Can't seem to escape that dive hit now, even if you do it a little too late.

- F3, 2, 1 can actually juggle into B! now... wow. I remember the 1 used to whiff all the time in BR. The pushback on F3, 2 in juggles has been reduced A LOT. This will make for some interesting setups.

DES seems to have gotten the biggest share of buffs I think. Seems like most of her good (cheapo) tools from before have been nerfed to the point where you have to play her very differently now. Can't just depend on a few tools anymore like before and expect to do well.

Back to do some more testing.

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