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BlackPriest
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#1 “Quote” Edit Post
New moves:
WS+3,2: i13 punisher, M,h, NC, KND/W! and hit confirmable; hits grounded at close range
SWY 4: homing
qcb+1+2 shoulder that launches on NH

Changes:
d/b+2: juggles on CH now; no good possible follow-ups found so far
qcf+2: decreased pushback in the final build
d/f+3,4: last hit is chargeable now, making it safe at -9
d/f+2: has less range now, but is still safe
4: is still safe
d/b+2 post WS+2 launch: does no longer turn the opponent FUFT
qcb+2: wallsplats only if the have their back really close to the wall

from Veggy's testing in Stockholm:
WS+3,2 = his new 13f ws punisher, it's mid high and doesn't jail so you can duck the second hit on block, if for some reason you decide to block the high, the high is -13. WS3 will also hit a grounded opponent in most positions (but does not float), it will not hit a grounded opponents feet (so head/sides)
sway back 4 = new fast homing move, it's high and +2 (!!!) on block, on CH you get a full juggle. Sometimes it high crushed, sometimes it didn't
sway back 1+2 = his new class 1 launcher, it's mid and -14 on block, you can also do launch ~ 5 which is awesome. Tracks to the left
CH d/b+2 WTF IS THE POINT OF THIS MOVE?!?! Could NOT for the life of me figure out a combo for it, everything whiffs, even standard demo man whiffs, going straight into bound whiffs, trying to do stuff after a pickup whiffs, completely fucking useless
d+1 the range seems the same to me, when you look at the animation it looks like it has no range at all, but it has some phantom range to it for sure
d/f+2 works exactly the same as T6BR, just with reduced range
CH b+2~d/b+2 is useless, it's really awkward to combo after the d/b+2
deathfist = I dunno why all those reports said it has more pushback, because it felt exactly the same to me. Asuka f+2 still punishes it completely at all ranges except max range, in fact I think deathfist is -17 at ALL ranges now
demo man = exactly the same
WS+2 = obviously d/b+2 doesn't work here anymore, so I've just been doing 2~b+1,2 and then following up depending on my tag partner or just straight up dash demo man
Everything else with Paul felt pretty much the same, overall I'd say he's even better than before, a i13f ws punisher, a fast homing move that's +2 on block and juggle on CH, and a class 1 launcher at the expense of d/f+2 having a bit less range? Sounds good to me!
Oh yeah, netsu death fist fucking HURTS looool

full move list:
http://www.tekken-official.jp/tag2a...acters/paul.pdf
1st column (T) is tag launchers (launchers where ~5 afterwards can tag in your other char)
2nd column (B) is B! moves
3rd column (H) is homing moves
4th column is move name, moves in grey boxes in this column are new moves
5th column is inputs
6th column is hit range: high =上 / mid = 中 / low = 下
7th column is notes

Last edited by BlackPriest on Oct 21st, 2011 at 08:54

USMCOgre
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#2 “Quote” Edit Post
If sway 1+2 is so bad on block, I see no reason to ever do it instead of just doing qcf1.
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BlackPriest
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#3 “Quote” Edit Post
True, especially since we already have TWO great mids out of SWY that get even better with the addition of SWY 4 for raping side steps.

It has a very deceiving animation though, but I'm pretty sure that's not enough to make up for a -14 on block. Guess we can only hope Namco change the frame disadvantage in the final build...
Ardul
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#4 “Quote” Edit Post
Paul looks very good in this game. Nothing similar to TTT1 Paul where he was crap.
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BlackPriest
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#5 “Quote” Edit Post
^ Yeah, he looks good.

Solid like BR Paul with some buffs. It will still be Paul though, just a tad better.
Rain of Death
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#6 “Quote” Edit Post
Whoa, thanks for all the early TTT2 information Blackpriest. And LMAO at Veggie's description of db+2, he sounds pissed.

Thank God df+2 is still safe on block.

I can't wait to see what special throws Paul has.
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SpartaMA
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#7 “Quote” Edit Post
I noticed something while watching USMCOgre's video he posted under the "beards & deathfists" thread. At 1:41-1:42, Paul's (WS 3,2)=W! after ducking Roger Jr.'s (2,1). *Also noted, it looks like a CH WS 3,2. Maybe it W! when CH? I didn't think this move could be any better.

Keep up the good work guys!
BlackPriest
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#8 “Quote” Edit Post
^ Oh, it actually KND's/W!'s at normal hit.
Didn't notice that info isn't in the first post already, will add it now. Yeah, it's really great. It's even hit confirmable.

Thanks man, we will!
Runemaster
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#9 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by Rain of Death

I can't wait to see what special throws Paul has.


It's a double-deathfist with Law.

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/872/ttt2jchit.jpg
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BlackPriest
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#10 “Quote” Edit Post
Deathfist pushback decreased in the final build:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak5o8nl8M80#t=0m32s
SSJ4_Vegita
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#11 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by BlackPriest
Deathfist pushback decreased in the final build:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak5o8nl8M80#t=0m32s


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Runemaster
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#12 “Quote” Edit Post
Leo+Asuka VS Paul+Asuka

Interesting tidbits:

00:11:
d/f3,4 is now delayable!

02:35:
Tag Assault combo on wall using demo man is painful.
BlackPriest
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#13 “Quote” Edit Post
Good find Runemaster, added!
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#14 “Quote” Edit Post
Paul/Asuka looks like a solid team <=)
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TonyDmajer
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#15 “Quote” Edit Post
qcb4 prolly highcrushed becouse of the highcrush sway itself has - and you do a sway before the actual move if you use it
BlackPriest
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#16 “Quote” Edit Post
Yes, like all sway moves you can extend the qcb motion itself by not inputting the move immediately and get some evasive frames. These frames can also high crush highs with a high hitting hitbox, but it's not something reliable in BR, and I guess it's pretty much the same in TTT2.

qcb+4's purtpose should not be high crushing though but catching opponents trying to sidestep, so...
Rain of Death
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#17 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by Ardul
Paul looks very good in this game. Nothing similar to TTT1 Paul where he was crap.


Yeah, I agree with Tekken Tag 1 Paul being disappointing, with Tekken 5 Paul being the 2nd worst version. I pretty much used Heihachi instead with his overpowered EWGF and qcf+2. He was pretty much the "Paul" of TTT1 for me

I'm considering using Paul and Heihachi for TTT2. Team D+1.
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Swayman
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#18 “Quote” Edit Post
Hey Guys!
U can update Paul's (new moves list). I just saw on some vid aftter Pauls qcf+3... he has combo after that, its just looking like qcb+3,2,1
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BlackPriest
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#19 “Quote” Edit Post
Hi.

According to the official move list he doesn't have any qcf+3 extensions, and I haven't seen it in any of the videos so far.

Maybe what you saw is qcf+3 into his new WS+3,2?

Got a link where you saw this?
Swayman
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#20 “Quote” Edit Post
i have 99% sure for that... i just keep looking it, i will try fd it ;p
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