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NY83
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#1 “Quote” Edit Post
I saw a VS Punish list, but not a VS strategy list?

Like let's say *insert char here* is known for *insert strategy* and this is how you beat it. Personally, (anybody that can help me, awesome) I'd like to know how to beat these chars cause this is my local comp:


Steve
Bob
Marduk
AK
Drag
Roger Jr
Jack
Law
Bryan


Any and all help is appreciated guys

Last edited by USMCOgre on Nov 9th, 2009 at 22:27

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Originally posted by Mishima Master
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#2 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by NY83
I saw a VS Punish list, but not a VS strategy list?

Like let's say *insert char here* is known for *insert strategy* and this is how you beat it. Personally, (anybody that can help me, awesome) I'd like to know how to beat these chars cause this is my local comp:


Steve
Bob
Marduk
AK
Drag
Roger Jr
Jack
Law
Bryan


Any and all help is appreciated guys


Just block!
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#3 “Quote” Edit Post
Im getting frustrated too man. I can't seem to get anywere with Paul online against the speed characters. The god damn lag also doesn't help. Considering so many of the newer characters especially are so damn cheap and every move they have is faster than Paul's fastest counters I'm needless to say struggling. I'm not going to give up Paul, but I can definately see why so many people have in the past.

The best you can do is block all of their spammed moves and wait for an opening to strike. My w/l is like 24 - 30 or something like that. Most of these losses have been against speed characters and the lag didn't help. I think I'm gonna drop online until namcoo releases that lag fix patch.
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#4 “Quote” Edit Post
Stickied and title changed a little. I thought we needed a more up to date strat thread.
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#5 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by USMCOgre
Stickied and title changed a little. I thought we needed a more up to date strat thread.
Thanks man. And load some strats up, you had a sick Paul in T4, get crackin ogre!
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Originally posted by Mishima Master
I'm the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I own everything and everyone. You must become a beast among your peers before I will adore you with my presence. Nobody has been able to topple the Mishima Master. I'm a god amongst men. I don't conquer towns, I conquer countries. I have traveled the lands in search of worthy opponents for many years. I have yet to meet my match. I don't waste time with mortal combatants, only the immortal. You have much to learn, be patient and I will come to you.
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#6 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by NY83
Thanks man. And load some strats up, you had a sick Paul in T4, get crackin ogre!
I've just been too busy to play other people much lately :/

Hopefully that changes soon
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#7 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by NY83
I saw a VS Punish list, but not a VS strategy list?

Like let's say *insert char here* is known for *insert strategy* and this is how you beat it. Personally, (anybody that can help me, awesome) I'd like to know how to beat these chars cause this is my local comp:


Steve
Bob
Marduk
AK
Drag
Roger Jr
Jack
Law
Bryan


Any and all help is appreciated guys



vs jack

inside the dojo area try this

ff+2:1 W! d/b+2, b+1,2 b! d4,2 :12 W! d1,4 2..
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#8 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by tench_rocker
vs jack

inside the dojo area try this

ff+2:1 W! d/b+2, b+1,2 b! d4,2 :12 W! d1,4 2..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TksExjLWJEo

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#9 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by kloude
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TksExjLWJEo



thats really tnx......
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#10 “Quote” Edit Post
selected players... ex. miguel
its effective

ff4, WS4, b1, 2B!
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#11 “Quote” Edit Post
When is the best time to use b2 or baiting b2 CH?
CHb2, f1+2 b!, qcf+2, ff4 all connects and deal huge damage, but I can't seem to properly use them since the move is so slow.

Any ideas?
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#12 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by Runemaster
When is the best time to use b2 or baiting b2 CH?
CHb2, f1+2 b!, qcf+2, ff4 all connects and deal huge damage, but I can't seem to properly use them since the move is so slow.

Any ideas?


Since they made b+2 so slow I would use it after any good +frames moves. 1,2 on hit for example.

Do CH b+2, d/b+2, b+1,2 B! qcf+2, f,f+4. Rape.

Too bad you won't get CH b+2 very often...
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#13 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by Runemaster
When is the best time to use b2 or baiting b2 CH?
CHb2, f1+2 b!, qcf+2, ff4 all connects and deal huge damage, but I can't seem to properly use them since the move is so slow.

Any ideas?


there is no best time to throw out b+2, you can't really use it like you used to in 5 or 4.

for me it's best usage is when somone is going to do a move with recovery of +1 -to about -5 then side step right and do some sort of launcher, Ex, 1, ssr d/f+2 with paul or d/f+1,2 ssr+2 with nina.

other then that situation it's not really worth fishing for ch b+2 when d/f+2 does the job so much better and doesn't require a CH.
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look man the move doesnt track sidestep, but if you sidestep it will hit you
steves b+1 isint safe because it only auto guards high and mid, but you can cancel it and block all lows
Jaycees u/f+4,3 is launch punishable on block but if you try to punish it the 1 follow-up will hit you
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#14 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by BlackPriest
Since they made b+2 so slow I would use it after any good +frames moves. 1,2 on hit for example.

Do CH b+2, d/b+2, b+1,2 B! qcf+2, f,f+4. Rape.

Too bad you won't get CH b+2 very often...



after ff+4, if the characters use back roll you can follow it by ws+4, d12???? is it possible??
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#15 “Quote” Edit Post
f,f+4, WS+4, d,1,4,2 is a true combo, the opponent won't be able to backroll.

But you should better be doing a B! combo off f,f+4. Check the combo thread...
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#16 “Quote” Edit Post
i saw this one

bb12, w! deathfist, wall break, ss b1,2b!, demoman.....
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#17 “Quote” Edit Post
I miss the T4 old days where Paul's oki game were gold.

What about his oki game in T6?
Demoman juggle ender practically erased his oki options, but if you go for other ender for oki options,.... then you're sacrificing way too much damage.
Is his oki game completely gone now?

Well at least he has good wake up game.. scariest when doing juggles near wall, when the opponent gets up, go for low (another demoman), and if he ducks, qcb2 to the wall.
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#18 “Quote” Edit Post
Just learn to block man. And know the perfect time to put in d+1+2.
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#19 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by Lorddeff07
Just learn to block man. And know the perfect time to put in d+1+2.



yes because d12 is launch punishable..
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#20 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by Runemaster
I miss the T4 old days where Paul's oki game were gold.

What about his oki game in T6?
Demoman juggle ender practically erased his oki options, but if you go for other ender for oki options,.... then you're sacrificing way too much damage.
Is his oki game completely gone now?

Well at least he has good wake up game.. scariest when doing juggles near wall, when the opponent gets up, go for low (another demoman), and if he ducks, qcb2 to the wall.


I definately agree that is oki game aint how it used to be in T4. But its still decent. Instead of demoman ender (on wall-less stages) I would use qcf+1. Puts them right near you with face down feet toward I think. But anyway that gives you some oki options. If they get up anyway but rolling back qcf+1+2 will catch them for the free combo. If they lay there d+2 em to rack the damage and continue with the mixups.

Atleast thats what I like to do.
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