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GrandKitaro777
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#1 “Quote” Edit Post
New Moves

u/f 1+2
df 121
d+3

New Transitions

213~d -MNT
13 -SCR
u/f+1+2 -TRT
d+3~d -MNT
WS3~b -SCR
d/f 41~d -CR

Frame Changes

ss+1+2 is now -3 on block(from -6), +8 on hit

db+4 to MT
-16 on block(from -21)
-7 on NH(from-12)
Neutral on CH(from -12)

b+1 safer at -12 ( -14)

d243 safer -13 (-14)

MNT uf+3 safer -10 to -8 (-14 to -13)

MNT uf+3, b unsafer -14 to -12 ( -10 to -9)

SCR df+4 safer at -14 (-25)

SCR df+4, d safer at -14 (-26)

WS 12 from -14 to -13 on blk, now -13 to -12

WS 1 safer -10 (-15) ; KND to +1 on hit/CH

WS 3 0 on block, WS 3~b -7

df 1 2 unsafe -14 (-11)

SCR df 4 faster 19f (24f)

Damage Nerf/ Buff

WS+1 damage reduction from 18 to 12
WS+1,2 damage reduction from 20 to 16

Changes From BR

ff+4= Homing
ff+2= Homing
SCR df 3= Homing
d24= No bound
WS 12= Full launch
d243= No longer Launch Punishable
db 4~d= No longer Launch Punishable
b+1= No longer Launch punishable
WS 3= Combos on CH
SCR df 4= No longer combos on CH


Taggable

WS 2
d+4, 3
WS 1, 2
d/b+4, 2
TRT 2
MNT d/f+2
SCR 4

Update soon (Everything off the top my head currently, anyone welcome to add)

Last edited by GrandKitaro777 on Jul 24th, 2012 at 20:33

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#2 “Quote” Edit Post
b2 and df1+2 were homing moves in BR
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GrandKitaro777
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#3 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by Conrad
b2 and df1+2 were homing moves in BR


I was testing specifically you.
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#4 “Quote” Edit Post
some ina notes:

b+1 safer at -12 ( -15)
MNT uf+3 safer -10 to -8 (-14 to -13)
MNT uf+3, b unsafer -14 to -12 ( -10 to -9)
SCR df+4 safer at -14 (-25)
SCR df+4, d safer at -14 (-26)

WS+1 damage reduction from 18 to 12; from -16 on blk, now -10; KND to +1 on hit/CH

WS+1,2 damage reduction from 20 to 16, from -14 to -13 on blk, now -13 to -12

WS+3 transitions to SCR, 0 on block; WS+3, b is the old one at -7


Not sure if new but TKmove lists MNT 4, 3 as a strong tracking/homing move
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#5 “Quote” Edit Post
f+4 : More pushback on block.
WS 3 : Combos on CH and normal.
1, 3 : Transition in SCR...
1, 3, b : Safe, cancels SCR
SCR d/f+4 : Faster, 19 frames... (previously 24 frames), no longer combos on CH
1, 4 : [1], 4 causes opponent to stagger on CH
SS 1+2 : -3 on block, +8 on hit (ina tekken)
d/f+1, 2 : -14 on block (previously -11)
d+1 : -3 on CH
d+2, 4, 3 : No longer launch punishable... -14 to -13 (previously -16 to -15)
d/b+4, d : No longer launch punishable... -14 (previously -21)
b+1 : No longer launch punishable... -12 (previously -15)
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#6 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by Fr0zen
f+4 : More pushback on block.
WS 3 : Combos on CH and normal.
1, 3 : Transition in SCR...
1, 3, b : Safe, cancels SCR
SCR d/f+4 : Faster, 19 frames... (previously 24 frames), no longer combos on CH
1, 4 : [1], 4 causes opponent to stagger on CH
SS 1+2 : -3 on block, +8 on hit (ina tekken)
d/f+1, 2 : -14 on block (previously -11)
d+1 : -3 on CH
d+2, 4, 3 : No longer launch punishable... -14 to -13 (previously -16 to -15)
d/b+4, d : No longer launch punishable... -14 (previously -21)
b+1 : No longer launch punishable... -12 (previously -15)
Vids? Not that I don't believe you, but this is the first time I've ever heard of those changes.
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#7 “Quote” Edit Post
WS 3 does combo on CH, as for 1 4 stagger you'll probably have to show me in a video. I don't know what's going on there with the staggering.

If there's any mistakes inform me please.

Last edited by GrandKitaro777 on Jul 22nd, 2012 at 09:11

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#8 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by GrandKitaro777
WS 3 does combo on CH, as for 1 4 stagger you'll probably have to show me in a video. I don't know what's going on there with the staggering.

If there's any mistakes inform me please.


I consider staggering the same effect seen when [d/f+1, 2], 1 on CH.

As for the video for it, I must find once more because it was one irrelevant little video where someone pulled it off. Ina Tekken has it listed also; however, finding the video will take some time...

In the meantime, I will try to contribute to this thread some more...

Taggable Launchers:
d+4, 3
WS 1, 2
d/b+4, 2
TRT 2
MNT d/f+2

Edit: The video of the change is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5q3Us7fosxA#t=1m53s

Although it is Vanilla Tekken Tag 2, you get the picture. There was no change to the move when Unlimited came into play...

Originally posted by Conrad
Vids? Not that I don't believe you, but this is the first time I've ever heard of those changes.


The WS 3 is seen in many of the more recent videos of Zafina... I will try to find a video as soon as possible, along with more changes and such to better the thread.

Last edited by Fr0zen on Jul 22nd, 2012 at 10:10

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#9 “Quote” Edit Post
SCR 4 is also taggable.
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#10 “Quote” Edit Post
d243 is -14 (-18?)
ws1,2 is -13
df1,2 is -15
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#11 “Quote” Edit Post
@PECA TRT 4, 3 is still launch punishable, correct?
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Originally posted by PECA

df[1],2 is -15


-14 not -15

SCR 3+4 got a damage nerf
b+3 got a damage buff

just look in inatekken
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#13 “Quote” Edit Post
Grandkitaro:

For the new transitions part, 1+3~b goes to SCR? Well there is a string 13 that goes SCR automatically without holding back. Holding back will cancel out of SCR.
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#14 “Quote” Edit Post
I believe that there is more frame advantage on WS 3 if you stay in scarecrow like there is alot of frame advantage, and there is better recovery on ff+3 its like plus 4
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#15 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by GrandKitaro777




Frame Changes

ss+1+2 is now -3 on block(from -6), +8 on hit

b+1 safer at -12 ( -14)

d243 safer -13 (-14)

df 1 2 unsafe -14 (-11)



Changes From BR

WS 3= Combos on CH


Taggable


Update soon (Everything off the top my head currently, anyone welcome to add)


just a little fix

SS+1+2 recovers faster

b+1 is -11 not -12 ( i tested this to be -11 otherwise someone test this) also used to be -15 not -14

d+2,4,3 is now -14 used to be -16

df+1,2 is -15 (but early window) otherwise -14

i think its possible to juggle WS+3 on NH.. maybe on bigs maybe WS+3 SCR 3+4 may work.

also

SCR+4 now -13 (from -14)

TRT+4,3 also -14 (from LP)

ff+3+4 now -11 (from being safe)

SCR+3+4 reduced DMG

1,3 to SCR being +5

ALSO WS+3 IS +8 ON BLOCK ....... this is just to SCR
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#16 “Quote” Edit Post
SS 1+2 is -2 now
ff3+4 has been -11 (-12 if you go into MNT) since BR.
WS3 also combos on NH - WS3, SCR 3+4 B! hits consistently on characters of all sizes. However, this pretty much only works at range 0. You also have to input SCR 3+4 quickly.
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#17 “Quote” Edit Post
SCR 3+4 no longer sparks on hit.
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#18 “Quote” Edit Post
MNT 4 on CH trips for a MNT d+3,1, MNT d+1,4 combo in BR. But from what I've seen, it doesn't trip anymore in TTT2, but instead guarantees the follow-up 3 launch. Can someone verify this?
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Originally posted by justinooncx
MNT 4 on CH trips for a MNT d+3,1, MNT d+1,4 combo in BR. But from what I've seen, it doesn't trip anymore in TTT2, but instead guarantees the follow-up 3 launch. Can someone verify this?
That's true MNT 4,3 is now NCC, but I would never attempt to go for it. It is SUPER punishable on block.

Another change I noticed while messing around in T6 is that they gave d1 a CH animation in TTT2 making easier to CH confirm.
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