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#141 “Quote” Edit Post
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To sum it up use eddy's qcf+3 or db+4
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#142 “Quote” Edit Post
Our RD is pretty useless

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmuRwt6eHX0


1:32 - Akuma
1:40 - Alisa
1:46 - Devil Jin
1:49 - Eddy
1:55 - Feng
2:05 - Heihachi
2:08 - Jin
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2:22 - Lars
2:26 - Lili
2:30 - Ling Xiaoyu
2:38 - Marshall Law
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#143 “Quote” Edit Post
what do you think about Knee's TierList? he rated Eddy in A for both deathmatch and tournament Rating. I would realy like to know, why he thinks Eddy is that good, despite the fact that he is beeing nerfed realy hard. He has like no standing punishment until 15f, df2 nerfed to the ground (speed, tracking, hitbox), b1,4,3+4 gone (no biggi), rlx 4~3 nerfed (fucked up risk/reward).

what do you guys think? any inside?
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#144 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by KINGofIRONfist
what do you think about Knee's TierList? he rated Eddy in A for both deathmatch and tournament Rating. I would realy like to know, why he thinks Eddy is that good, despite the fact that he is beeing nerfed realy hard. He has like no standing punishment until 15f, df2 nerfed to the ground (speed, tracking, hitbox), b1,4,3+4 gone (no biggi), rlx 4~3 nerfed (fucked up risk/reward).

what do you guys think? any inside?

Well, I'll put my 2 cents in on him. Now I've mained the Capos since T4, so I know my Eddy material. As far as T7 Eddy is concerned...

...dude is just trashy.

I don't know how he can be listed that high with all the negatives he has. As someone stated before his evasive properties are downright pitiful and he seems to have a hurt box all the way to the ceiling even when sitting down. He can be floated out of so many things, way more than past iterations. My NEG+3 gets floated by Nina high kick??

Not only that but his tracking and range is short and almost nonexistent. Ive had people side step or trip him out of his uf+4. Yet characters like Asuka, Raven, and Law you can tell the game does its best to ADUST to hitting eddy from somewhere.

And the Holy Grail of Eddy problems people falling out of NEG 4-3 or Slippery Kicks. There are so many times Eddy is right front and center and you see the second hit whiff. Why??? Risk and thats your reward?

This with his low damage and no punishers just makes him a chore to play. For the first time I feel like why bother with him?
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#145 “Quote” Edit Post
Umm, Eddy got nerfs but also good stuff. imo biggest is d43 for being only -13 on block now. it's super good buff because that move is not launchable anymore against eg. Jin.

jabs into hsp is okay but rage art and armor move are both kinda unreliable especially the art. Imo bottom 5 rage art. rage drive in other hand is pretty good, one of the best ones in game imo.

still, eddy is pretty good imo but not at the top. His standing punishers are so bad, df2 nerf hurts like a motherfucker, bad frames are not so fun and so on. Eddy has to utilize his crushing and it's now even harder than before. still they re valid option.

In tournaments eddy is pretty good.

maybe in B tier.
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#146 “Quote” Edit Post
I wouldn't say B. High C is more like it. His range on everything is weird and he gets floated out of more things than past Tekkens. His risk vs. reward seems skewed toward the defender in this. Like I said even his regular uf+4 goes through people and can be tripped.

I do agree his RA and RD don't make any sense. Sometimes I feel he was a bit rushed with his

And why the hell is db+2,3 even in our arsenal???

Last edited by FireHazzard101 on Nov 6th, 2017 at 01:42

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#147 “Quote” Edit Post
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Okcv2TdRr5s

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#148 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by yoloswag
Umm, Eddy got nerfs but also good stuff. imo biggest is d43 for being only -13 on block now. it's super good buff because that move is not launchable anymore against eg. Jin.

jabs into hsp is okay but rage art and armor move are both kinda unreliable especially the art. Imo bottom 5 rage art. rage drive in other hand is pretty good, one of the best ones in game imo.

still, eddy is pretty good imo but not at the top. His standing punishers are so bad, df2 nerf hurts like a motherfucker, bad frames are not so fun and so on. Eddy has to utilize his crushing and it's now even harder than before. still they re valid option.

In tournaments eddy is pretty good.

maybe in B tier.




His d+4,3 can be launched by kaz WS+1,2, Josie WS+2,1 and of course Eddy himself with WS+1,3 so I don’t know why your saying it’s not launchable
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#149 “Quote” Edit Post
does anyone think that it's worth putting in time to practice launch punishing -14 moves with ss3+4 on block? so far it seems like it might be worth trying to punish things like dragunovs 1,2,1. it also works pretty well against dj's and hei's pc's if you block deep.

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#150 “Quote” Edit Post
https://twitter.com/tk_kodee/status...1268575238?s=21


EDDY CHANGES: SEASON 2

Finally b+2 is i14

and more
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#151 “Quote” Edit Post
Eddy
1,2
• Changed from +4F to +5F on hit.

f+2,1,4
• Opponent closer on block.
• Causes Screw on counter hit.

d [3,4]
• Opponent closer on hit and block.

b+2
• Startup changed from 15F to 14F.
• Changed from -10F to -11F on block.
• Changed from +4F to +3F on hit.

b+1+2
• Changed from -6F to -8F on block.

u/b+3
• Changed to Power Crush.
• Startup changed from 30F to 31F.
• Changed from +3F to -2F on block.
• Opponent closer on block.
• Changed from +5F to +6F on hit.
• Opponent reaction on counter hit and mid-air hit was changed.

u/f+1+2,D
• Transition to crouch removed.

u/f+3+4
• Changed from -13F to -10F on block.
• Recovery on hit decreased by 3F.

f,F+3
• Startup changed from 26F to 24F.
• Causes Wall Bounce on hit.

During sidestep 3+4
• Opponent closer after 1st attack hits.

During Handstand 1
• Changed from -11F to -12F on block.

During Handstand 4
• Damage changed from 10,12 to 5,20.
• Opponent reaction changed on hit.
• Causes Screw on mid-air hit.

During Negativa 2,f+3
• Causes Wall Bounce on hit.

During Negativa 3
• Damage changed from 14 to 12.
• Hitbox expanded downward.


Umm, none of this fixes whats really wrong with him. The bad Rage Drive/Art, people falling point blank out of his moves like NEG [4,3] and SS+4, weird and short ranges, what the hell Harada????? I mean b4 is cute but really?
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#152 “Quote” Edit Post
About f+2,1,4
Only 4 on ch will Screw.
I test it today.

HSP,4 now do the same as RLX,4 on hit btw.
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