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CHANG39
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#41 “Quote” Edit Post
Reading the patch notes, what does Q, C, and i stand for?
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#43 “Quote” Edit Post
http://tgzone.giu1i8dldf66c3uzfvh.n...h_notes_pdf.zip

Last edited by MmickeysS on Sep 4th, 2018 at 09:44

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Johnnay
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#44 “Quote” Edit Post
WTF Leo’s df+2+3 is -12

Also happy her ff+4,3 is -14

Happy Asuka WS+1 is now i14 and WS+3 is now i18

Now if only her FC df+2 was +18 on CH Lol
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#45 “Quote” Edit Post
So I'm seeing some moves like Bryan's f,f+4 and Devil Jin's f+3 wouldn't register as CH if got hit during the first half of the animation. I think Bob's SS1+2 has the same issue. E.g if you do SS1+2 during Miguel's d/f+1,1 strings, the third hits won't CH you.
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WhiteOni
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#46 “Quote” Edit Post
Jin's most fun stuff got nerfed lmao… The unblockable after a backwards wallsplit which hits even the most experiences player atleast once now has less homing… Why It was SO niche but SO fun to hit!!


Now ppl can duck after getting hit by bf, 2,3... Meaning they can duck the ZEN 1+2... Again… WHy? This lead to 80% damage combo's but only if the opponent tries to duck.. If you just… BLOCK u'd be safe. Why get rid of this?


Also kinda lame that some character like JIN have like 4 lines and others an entire page lmao…

Why do some characters get new moves but most don't. That's so lame and lazy. New moves are way more fun than property and frame changes... Hwoarang got a freaking parry… That's GAME CHANGING.

BTW when does the patch go live?
dodecadozen
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#47 “Quote” Edit Post
I'm more interested in what happens to Jin's crunchy CH 4. Is it going to go from crunchy to soggy?
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#48 “Quote” Edit Post
Dragunov's d2 is now -1 on hit.
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#49 “Quote” Edit Post
Katarina being made slightly less brain dumb, but I don't see why d/f+3+4 needed a buff? Long range low that was already difficult to punish is now only -14 and plus on hit?

3,3,3 is more of a punisher now than a poke at 14 frames and -10. Finally a good punish for DVJ's rage drive!

So much crouching status has been added to her moves. But moves from harrier come out much slower so I wonder how that will affect her combos.

How soon can we start whining about the changes? I'm seeing Law's f,f+3 is a wall bounce now, with no damage adjustments.
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Aminegriffy
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#50 “Quote” Edit Post
Thanks Namco for nerfing Shaheen to the ground even though he was the most balanced fairest character in the game but hey let's nerf him cause lowhigh won an evo with him.

RIP Shaheen
Climbing Dragon
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#51 “Quote” Edit Post
A lot of these balance changes are bullshit. EWGF and Kazuya f,f+3 tracking increased, Josie losing her i13 WS punisher while Kaz and Eddy get to keep theirs, Shaheen's standing 4 being i13, Law and Paul getting buffed while characters like Lee and Miguel don't receive anything special that would lift them up in tier lists...

Also, this is the time we welcome Feng to lower-mid tier. The nerf hammer hit him hella hard.
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Fixed tier list for Lili players only needs 2 tiers, one tier with all the chars better than Lili and a second one with just Lili.
Aminegriffy
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#52 “Quote” Edit Post
Legit looking at these changes Shaheen is unplayable he's a garbage tier now.
Ashesfall
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#53 “Quote” Edit Post
lool real TZ heroes are back?

you know the properties on 23 or his new wr2?
new 10frame punisher KND/W!/frameadvantage?
wr2 +onblock, followups or CH launcher?
...

i read more buffs than nerfs but to the ground baby lmao
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i still study all and my first impression: i am hyped
watching tournaments will be so new cant wait to enjoy season 2

so many characters i want to play ... crazy
(hello miguel i have to check you out again )



thanks for that great source
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#54 “Quote” Edit Post
Shaheen's 2,3 isn't necessarily even NC. And his WR+2 is a wall bounce move, not a CH launcher.
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Fixed tier list for Lili players only needs 2 tiers, one tier with all the chars better than Lili and a second one with just Lili.
Aminegriffy
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#55 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by Ashesfall
lool real TZ heroes are back?

you know the properties on 23 or his new wr2?
new 10frame punisher KND/W!/frameadvantage?
wr2 +onblock, followups or CH launcher?
...

i read more buffs than nerfs but to the ground baby lmao
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i still study all and my first impression: i am hyped
watching tournaments will be so new cant wait to enjoy season 2

so many characters i want to play ... crazy
(hello miguel i have to check you out again )



thanks for that great source



How do you know 23 is a 10 frame ?

How do you know WR2 is + on block plus WR2 is not a ch launcher ?
S2_Dotoring
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#56 “Quote” Edit Post
Shaheen got buffed though?
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Ashesfall
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#57 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by Aminegriffy
How do you know 23 is a 10 frame ?

How do you know WR2 is + on block plus WR2 is not a ch launcher ?

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- his 2 move is 10frame by default - click link to see

- i do NOT know it! this is why i put a question-mark (?) behind my sentence
as it should say/declare: how can you call him trash tier without even knowing his new properties?

(why do i think you will still get me wrong?
probably my bad(?) english )
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#58 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by Aminegriffy
How do you know 23 is a 10 frame ?

His standing 2 is i10 and 2,3 is an extension.
Signature Originally posted by MysticwinD
Fixed tier list for Lili players only needs 2 tiers, one tier with all the chars better than Lili and a second one with just Lili.
Aminegriffy
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#59 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by Ashesfall
...

- his 2 move is 10frame by default - click link to see

- i do NOT know it! this is why i put a question-mark (?) behind my sentence
as it should say/declare: how can you call him trash tier without even knowing his new properties?

(why do i think you will still get me wrong?
probably my bad(?) english )


DB2 being butchered from-5 to -10 RIP one of his pokes.

SNK cancel properties made slower meaning some moves like d3 SNK will be less effective.

3 reduced from +13 on hit to +3 who knows if 3 df SNK 2 will work now.

41 being butchered, 4 alone is -10 on block.

44 pushback reduced and its -13 on block

db34 damage reduced hurts his combo ender.

uf3 nerfed.


so yeah he's being nerfed to the ground, why pick him now instead of Law ?
S2_Dotoring
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#60 “Quote” Edit Post
It's just a normalization of the frames on hit (previously fake frames), not the move itself or its recovery.

Shaheen was buffed overall with:
Slide harder to punish (lmao)
SNK2 safe
SNK1 ch ws1 properties
f2,4,4 larger hitbox

His SNK game got buffed hard, probably to compliment his new 2,3.

f4 change might be big, cause that move is really, really good. But we don't know anything except 'hit property was changed'

Rest isn't that big of a deal, people won't punish 4 cause they're expecting 1 of 3 extensions. d4 is fair now because the bullshit back-step is reduced/removed. d3~df is a neutral change, it basically means d3 alone and d3~df~db is the same on block, one of which requires more effort and is therefore rewarded with better advantage on hit.
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