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H-F Blade
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#81 “Quote” Edit Post
If that's the case, hopefully Lili's damage output got shafted too.
zenith
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#82 “Quote” Edit Post
Thanks for keeping us informed Marduck, hopefully we will find out about the new properties of d+2 in a few days. Provided Namco didn?t wreck any of Baeks other stuff I will be happy with the changes.
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#83 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by Shotokan
Marduck: What other changes are there to baek? When you say heel lance doesn't work after triple punch combo, what aspect did they change? i.e.: does heel lance no longer launch from behind? If it still does then maybe f+2,1, f+2,1 will work? or does the resulting hit of the last 2 give a different kind of stun?

Are you also saying that d+2 makes baek's recovery longer or are you saying that d+2 makes the opponents guard stun to be greater?


about the death combo.. i've no clue about specifics, but i do know that heel lance isnt guaranteed after triple punch. i damn well hope heel lance by itself still juggles on the back..

about d+2, it makes baek's recovery longer....

those two things are the only changes that have been discovered so far.
balladbirdkaren
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#84 “Quote” Edit Post
hi.. just passing by...
i've been playing for a while and got to get some infos 4 y'all:
-baek's f+2, f+1, F+2, (m,h,h) if first punch hits, second guaranteed, but not the third... (could be ducked) = last punch=shit
-d/b+4, ws 4,4, fla, d+2=not guaranteed...
-baek's f, d, n, d/f+3 seems to have shorter range than t5.1 baek...
menz... I think our DR is ver.B...
hey... another question.. have anyone found any new moves?

Last edited by balladbirdkaren on Jan 1st, 2006 at 03:11

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zenith
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#85 “Quote” Edit Post
http://rapidshare.de/files/10241715/BaekDR.wmv.html

I was board so I put together a video for the people that haven?t been able to get to a DR machine yet. You can see Baeks new moves d+2 d/b+3,3 and f+2,1 as well as a bunch of his new animations for his old moves.
Mistwolf
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#86 “Quote” Edit Post
Hey guys, please try this out coz i'm not sure if this really works:
"After Baek's parry (b+1+2) you can follow it with 2,2 (right punch then backfist)"

I was able to do this once in a challenge. I'm not sure if it's guaranteed.
Thanks.

Last edited by Mistwolf on Jan 3rd, 2006 at 04:31

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#87 “Quote” Edit Post
Well I don't know about you guys, but I think that some of the new animations look completely retarded. The snake kicks, baek rush, and albatross look way too jerky. It looks like a cardboard cut out of baek where they took like 5 pictures and animated it into a move lol. Kinda like they do for South Park =P. However I love the animation for the 1,2,3,3,3 style moves, those look sweet. So I guess they did some good stuff.

As for d/b+2 move, looks like that is gonna be simply for okie game. And the 1+2,4 not being guarenteed, guess we'll just have to use 1+2 as a poke now insteada punisher. And I really like the look of the d/b+3,3 move. Hopefully the first hit won't be retardedly punishable like the snake kicks, cuz that could become a good poke, better than using the baek rush which is way too unsafe.

End thoughts are, he isn't as good as we'd hoped, but he is still better than before =D
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#88 “Quote” Edit Post
http://www.tekkencanada.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=101

There?s some vids of the Korean SBO T5DR qualifiers where the best players of the same character go against each other so the in the end the best player for each character is in the tournament. It includes a great Baek vs Baek match for us to watch.
noobkken
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#89 “Quote” Edit Post
Its on the maxi ftp, tekken canada's imposed a password since it grew too popular.

Looking at those games, wow, baek's oki game just got toned up a heck load more. End juggles with d/b+2 or cd+4,4~fla in a 50/50 guessing game. Stay there and eat a d/b+2, or rollback_instant getup and eat d+4,3,3~fla pickup, reset oki game. Great stuff. Soon people will fear the repetitive oki setups ala 5.0 nina, and just lie there for the free d/b+2. Its a nice chunk of added dmg, surely. So far i've not been able to side roll away from that hit. Good shit. Snake kicks are a good alternative for d+4,3,3 when they're further away. Still nice.

Same guessing game for 1+2,4. Solid.

Looks like d+4,3,3,d+4 might still be -19 on friggin hit though. They whored it alot, but one time it looked like it was punished with d/f+4,4 on hit. I doubt the other baek player wasn't blocking, but i suppose we'll have to test this conclusively. They sure whored that move alot.

One of them seemed to have gotten d/f+1 off punch parry. Wonder why he didn't go for 2,2. The poor frames in exchange for more dmg not his cup of tea?

I'm disappointed the didn't work f,f+3 into their game. Maybe its too linear or something. The frames on block feel good to me so far. On hit, juggle with d+4,3,3~fla and mess them up with the good 'ol guessing game. fla b+3 is really hard to apply vs solid competition, chances are you'll be poked out of it. I thought i saw it give kneel stun on crouch before, not too sure.

Nice vids. Baeks seems different, though. Not so movement intensive, but rather poking pressure now. The well timed b+1 or fla ss still working nicely, though.

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kazama77
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#90 “Quote” Edit Post
does anyone know now that d2,db2 chop has taken the place of
generic d2 poke(the one everyones got)
have the d1 properties changed?
I dont whore the lows but its handy to know

anyone got frame data for 1+2 hit?
df2 seems to be uninterruptible on hit,
the advantage from a successful punch parry would be cool
too,I think it changed from 5.0 to 5.1,so who knows for DR?

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#91 “Quote” Edit Post
It?s great to see Baeks oki beefed up and with it 1+2, 4 will still be an effective punisher so losing knockdown on 1+2 isn?t that important.
I?m not sure what to do after pp 2,2 is good damage but bad frames while d/f+1 is less damage but gives better frames it?s just a matter of what you prefer.
Also good to see flamingo ss is still useable and hasn?t been wreaked to the point that it?s useless like Hwoarangs.
I can?t wait to see how far bs will get in the sbo tournament with Baek, hopefully we will get to see some more good matches with him using Baek against the other characters.
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#92 “Quote” Edit Post
Hey man do you have the password for that site to DL those vids? Or you know of a mirror or something or even if they are on tekken FTP?
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#93 “Quote” Edit Post
I dont know the password, but they are in the ftp in
/upload/2005-12-31_2006-01-01_Kor_SBO_Qualifiers
also some have been posted here
http://www.tekkenzaibatsu.com/forum...215#post2356215

hope that helps
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#94 “Quote” Edit Post
sup ballad bird long time no see bro how u been anyways....

some new stuff to dig into....

baeks CH 4 CAN BE dashed into 1's
but UF 3+4 is now easier hit no more off axis to make it hit...

also 12333 still hits consecutively

after D2 d433 FLA snake kicks still works
if n wen they decide to stay neutral d2 again is massive damage

ballad is right F212 can be ducked n jabbed .. no more free shit every1 was talkin about....

also 12343 can no be SS'd

10 strings look incredibly dope

dB 3+4 better tracking

dB33 worthless

CD 344 is not guarunteed no more....FUCK

fla grab is much easier to break...

df1 picks up roll backing opponents much better.....

hey ballad bird take care n to the rest im comin back to the US

ballad was a pleasure playin wit ya
be easy....

filthie rich...

THE BAEK OF AMERICA

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#95 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by zenith
I dont know the password, but they are in the ftp in
/upload/2005-12-31_2006-01-01_Kor_SBO_Qualifiers
also some have been posted here
http://www.tekkenzaibatsu.com/forum...215#post2356215

hope that helps


i cant seem to access maxis ftp these past few days , i want deviljin vids please.

anyone know how to access that tekkencanada vids , it's asking for username/password
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#96 “Quote” Edit Post
http://rapidshare.de/files/10657676...nVvsbs.avi.html

I uploaded the Baek SBO match to rapidshare for people having trouble with the ftp.
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#97 “Quote” Edit Post
zenith: Thanks for the RapidShare link.

Is it just me, or is the Fla wavedash really a lot slower now? I still prefer buffering [3] while fla cancels.
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#98 “Quote” Edit Post
Maxi ftp was down. Its back up, just got some more vids from it. Good stuff.

fla wave still feels the same to me. No change in speed, timings, etc. And i'm also still doing everything with the buffered 3. Habits are hard to change, i guess!

ch4 into dash jabs or consistent u/f+3+4 followup will truly rock. A 11 frame ch hunter with fair range and a delayable ch knd 2nd hit is simply great.

f,f+3 is feeling real good on block. I'm still not getting jabbed out of d/f4,4 and there's always d+4,3 series to go with. Good stuff.
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balladbirdkaren
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#99 “Quote” Edit Post
got something new!!!

haha, baeks uninterruptable b+4 after blocked 3+4 is back.

it means that dr's 3+4 gives + advantage compared to t5.1
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Stringer
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#100 “Quote” Edit Post
d+2 is guaranteed after FLA b+3 counters
if I remember correctly I saw b+3 give a stun similar to Jack-5's cross chop
at some point...
and that's true about the halberd follow-up, no interruption

DR Baek is the real...

EDIT: has a new win stance where he does four left kicks

DbLoCk StRiNg

Last edited by Stringer on Jan 16th, 2006 at 06:14

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