Anna's Anti-Character Punishment Thread

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A how-to thread on punishing various characters as Anna Williams. Her punishment is not that great, so I thought it would be nice to go over certain matchups (eg: her WS+2 is i19-20 and can punish Lili's db+4, Nina's d,df+4, and Bryan's df+3 of course, which are all over -19 on block, but cannot Lili's 1,2,3, and Alisa's db+4 which are -18 on block, which most characters can punish, meaning she's just one frame short for a launch punish).

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I like the idea behind this. I noticed a few things about the Lili guide.

- Lili does not have 1,3. I think you meant to type 2,3.
- If you want to include sidewalking as a means of punishment vs. Lili's moves, do you want to include it vs. every move? If so, I could list a lot for you.
- Lili's df+4 tracks to her right, so you can't SS it either way.
- What do you mean by moves that don't jail? It says that some double mids don't jail. As far as I know, jail only applies to mid,high strings where you can duck the high when the mid is blocked.

Good job on this so far! I know it's time consuming to type all of this out.

Edit: Removed a couple of things I said that were wrong.

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I like the idea behind this. I noticed a few things about the Lili guide.

- Lili does not have 1,3. I think you meant to type 2,3.
- Are you sure Anna can punish Lili's d+2,2,4? The 4 has gigantic push back on block. I don't think Nina's b+1+4 reaches either, but I can't test it at the moment. Either way, Anna should be able to duck the second hit and interrupt with ws+3 or ws+1,2. That way you get a guaranteed punish instead of guessing if she'll do the mid or high extension.
- I'm pretty sure Anna's f+2,3 is an inconsistent punish against Lili's qcf+1,2. I've had it whiff even though that move has barely any (if any) push back on block.
- If you want to include sidewalking as a means of punishment vs. Lili's moves, do you want to include it vs. every move? If so, I could list a lot for you.
- Lili's df+4 tracks to her right, so you can't SS it either way.
- What do you mean by moves that don't jail? It says that some double mids don't jail. As far as I know, jail only applies to mid,high strings where you can duck the high when the mid is blocked.

Good job on this so far! I know it's time consuming to type all of this out.


Lili's D+2,2 jails, but is -11 if it is just done alone.
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- I'm pretty sure Anna's f+2,3 is an inconsistent punish against Lili's qcf+1,2. I've had it whiff even though that move has barely any (if any) push back on block.


I've never had it whiff against that move :/
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Thanks for the corrections guys!

It's good to know that Lili's d+2,2 jails.

Mr. Taxi, I must be thinking of a different move. f+2,3 seems to work every time against Lili's qcf+1,2 in practice mode.
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Lili's D+2,2 jails, but is -11 if it is just done alone.


It's actually -10 on block but early window punish so safe if you punish it too late

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You forgot in addition to mid/high strings , high/high strings can also in addition to mid/high strings don't jail as well.
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New guide posted. Nina Williams is up, and Marduk should be up in a couple of weeks or so (depending on how finals go). Please correct me on any punishes concerning Nina; I had advised to punish f+1+2 (-17) with f+2+3 (i14) but never tried to see if I could punish it with ff+3 (i15 if buffered, but generally i16).
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