Tekken 7 FR: Random Rants, Chits, and Chats VOL VI

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#21 “Quote” Edit Post
Um, TTT2 was much more defensive than T7 is, with movement being incredibly strong.
I actually prefer TTT2 to T7 for sure, two health bars, the speed of the game and the movement did it for me. And it is the most complex tekken to date.
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#22 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by Sugar Free
I'm sorry I come out rude, but this one bit tells heaps about how much you don't know what you are talking about.

ALL the previous Tekkens used a proprietary engine, developed by Namco specifically.
T7 uses a third party engine, Unreal 4, so even though tons of assets and code could be borrowed, MOST of the core has been made from scratch, with the rest being ported and/or converted/adapted.


don't worry you are not rude..you just don't get what i'm saying

the unreal engine works the same way that's why we have the same glitches for some moves
like i said you are not invincible against lows if you are in the air
you can go under mids with ducking moves
hell you can even crush lows with aop~d

tekken does not work like rock paper scissors it is always very specific to every move
because and i say it again it's hit frames + hitbox vs hit frames + hitbox
if you don't understand that part please don't replay with a wall of text again it's just bullshit
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#23 “Quote” Edit Post
Meh. Could careless about customizations and story mode. I love T7 because the core gameplay is rock solid.
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#24 “Quote” Edit Post
Sugar Free,

I don't like your attitude. You don't have to belittle their intelligence just because they don't have the same vision as you do. If you don't like the game, then don't play it. That doesn't mean you get to bash other people who are really enjoying the game. Go back to play TTT2. There are still people online who would be glad to pay with you.
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Originally posted by lightbeast
And it had the motion blur which T7 dosen't.
Tekken 7 does feature motion blur:


"Desenfoque de Movimiento": Motion Blur

And on the t7 vs tag2 discussion. TTT2 was the more complete home version tekken ever released. Its only two weak points were the ost and the customization, this last still superior to the shit we have in T7. However, from the gameplay perspective, tekken tag 2 was kind of a parody of a volleyball game, to the point it consisted only in waiting for your opponent to get launched, insert brainless juggle combination, and here we go again until he runs out of hp. T7 thankfully fixed that to some extent at least.

TTT2 was great in solo mode as some sort of t6 2.0. I always played solo and believe me I never ever gave a shit about what the pros could tell me to do about or not. TTT2 damage was too high on tag mode, and the tag mechanics were laughable to say the least.

And about ttt2 netcode being superior to T7..., not sure if either joking or that you're still playing on ps4.

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#26 “Quote” Edit Post
I think it's just PC and maybe PS4 Pro that have the motion blur toggle while regular PS4 does not. (Which is crazy because the PS3 had this feature and T6 looked better, in large part thanks to that!)

Of course, didn't see it coming that PS4 would be so inferior and no longer the place to go for playing this series while there'd be a vastly better PC version either.

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@bob in der bahn

Turns out I got exactly what you meant and you're still kinda confused about the whole thing.
Also, you took that clip of Lee and started a (inaccurate and mostly straight out wrong) general discussion about how Tekken always behaved like that.

Short reply: specifically, hopkicks and the likes are meant to crush lows; Lee is well in his crushing frames in that clip, but he still gets hit by a low; not a first at all in T7 and certainly not the last.
It's an unintended feature, no rocket science involved, and T7 is FULL of them: see below in the next reply.

Originally posted by sheep 2.0
Meh. Could careless about customizations and story mode. I love T7 because the core gameplay is rock solid.
Ok.
You like the gameplay, a lot even, maybe? Completely fine, ofc.
T7's gameplay being rock solid, though? Hell no, not even close:

https://gfycat.com/gifs/detail/BlankDecentKob
https://streamable.com/fewhs
http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/Zer0forConduct/video/35726905 ( 00:32 )
https://gfycat.com/gifs/detail/cave...armheartedbooby
https://gfycat.com/gifs/detail/heartygiftedflee (00:17)
https://gfycat.com/gifs/detail/latesameamurminnow
https://gfycat.com/gifs/detail/vastorganicleafbird
https://gfycat.com/gifs/detail/heftyhilariousgourami
https://gfycat.com/gifs/detail/thesetotalgerbil
This is a lazy selection of just the first few I saved and shared with friends for the laughs, most are not even the most offending ones and some are there as an example of consistently reproducible ones.
For instance, there's tons of hitbox/hurtbox porn like good ol' "Feng going through people" that I didn't list.

Then obviously there's TZ's own BS thread: http://www.tekkenzaibatsu.com/forum...threadid=132237
For reference, as far as I remember, TTT2's BS thread was 90% about hugely damaging combos (most forgot you used to have 2 life bars, but w/e), Lar's u/f+3 and JUnown's stuff at release.
T7's is 90% about unintended/unpredictable gameplay issues that end up being decisive for a match, rest is Paul's deathfist and other usual butthurt stuff.

Originally posted by WeaponX
Sugar Free,

I don't like your attitude. You don't have to belittle their intelligence just because they don't have the same vision as you do. If you don't like the game, then don't play it. That doesn't mean you get to bash other people who are really enjoying the game. Go back to play TTT2. There are still people online who would be glad to pay with you.
I'm positive you misinterpreted my posts.

I hereby encourage people liking the game to play it and, for the heck of it, express their joy if they feel like it.
One thing is liking it for what it is though, which is ok, another one is writing things like "T7's gameplay is rock solid", when it is factually not and by a wide margin, especially when compared to EVERY previous iteration from Tekken 5 on, aka over 10 years.

I'm evidently not bashing them for liking or playing the game or anything like that; what I'm doing is rightfully trying to counter false perceptions/statements or otherwise straight lies.

That said, I don't feel like I belittled anyone's intelligence, nor that was my intention, I couldn't care less.
BUT, if that's the case, since you brought this up, I'm sorry if anyone felt offended in this discussion.

Last edited by Sugar Free on May 10th, 2018 at 22:43

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#28 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by Sugar Free
T7 fails even when it comes to subjectively liking its gameplay, since it has TONS of broken parts.


So I'm misinterpreted your posts? This is what you said. You are bashing people for not understanding deeply into the game. I'm sure they are aware of the bugs in the game. Also the game is still incomplete and Bamco is still releasing patches to fix these issues. You telling others how they don't have the understanding of the game or they're not using their brains on real life is just being plain arrogant. You can still apologize to those that you offended since that wasn't your intentions but I still think you're arrogant and don't like your attitude. Just another piece of shit on the planet acting how smart he is. Just go play TTT2.
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#29 “Quote” Edit Post
You sound like a bitch.
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#30 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by PhineBuyM3
You sound like a bitch.


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#31 “Quote” Edit Post
Typical TZ. Mention you like the core gameplay and don't care about customizations, and then get shat on by an elitist who thinks his OPINION is fact.
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#32 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by sheep 2.0
Typical TZ. Mention you like the core gameplay and don't care about customizations, and then get shat on by an elitist who thinks his OPINION is fact.


I really wish I could test the "gameplay is the only thing that matter" types by having the next game just be stick figures on a grid and keeping the gameplay intact to see how far this sentiment can go.
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Originally posted by PhineBuyM3
I really wish I could test the "gameplay is the only thing that matter" types by having the next game just be stick figures on a grid and keeping the gameplay intact to see how far this sentiment can go.


Way to take my opinion waaaaaaay out of context there, champ. Just say, "I don't like this game because of reasons", respect others' opinions, and stop being an elitist douche.
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#34 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by Sugar Free
T7's gameplay being rock solid, though? Hell no, not even close:

hell yeah it is!
(i only wished holding back on wakeup would make you for some more frames (3-4) vulnerable)

i dont know how old you are and how much games you played but a complex game like tekken will always have situation some might not agree with.

i picked one example
Originally posted by Sugar Free
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what for you is "shit" is for me tekken and pure excitment while playing
jins ZEN2 has a buildin sidestep (not a feature bug)
drags b2 is going forward and the close situation makes it whiff

now jin sees the whiff and with the power of his demon karate he tracks you down and breaks your back with his fist!

these are the hype moments tekken7 is made for!
(if its than also in slowmo, chins dropping the floor = good times)

i go crazy seeing this and you probaly cry and hate the game ...
nothing wrong with it but there is no competition and if you go deep down you will find in every game "clipping" or "offaxis" scenarios. (clipping-pornfest DoA?! lets not open that box ...)

for sure (i think) most developers also do 2D games because of the development nightmare with 3D
(most stuff you refereed to, has something to do with walls and the pushback a wall creates when coming to close (to reduce wall-clipping))

short: you can adjust a complex game like tekken forever and you will always find "iffy" stuff if you just look close enough (like you do)

Originally posted by Sugar Free
T7's is 90% about unintended/unpredictable gameplay issues that end up being decisive for a match, rest is Paul's deathfist and other usual butthurt stuff.

Originally posted by Sugar Free
[...]what I'm doing is rightfully trying to counter false perceptions/statements or otherwise straight lies.

this is the reason i replied, as i like your post and i dont want a "war" here but man you going harm on that one aspect tekken7 did good. (for my taste of course)
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#35 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by Sugar Free
@bob in der bahn

Turns out I got exactly what you meant and you're still kinda confused about the whole thing.
Also, you took that clip of Lee and started a (inaccurate and mostly straight out wrong) general discussion about how Tekken always behaved like that.

Short reply: specifically, hopkicks and the likes are meant to crush lows; Lee is well in his crushing frames in that clip, but he still gets hit by a low; not a first at all in T7 and certainly not the last.
It's an unintended feature, no rocket science involved, and T7 is FULL of them: see below in the next reply.


man you still don't get it..there are no crushing frames

look here...law is well in his crushing frames i guess...
https://youtu.be/5g74TL1LakI?t=19s

and then look at this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trVFQGZ95eE

if the balloons touch you get a hit..simple as that..

inconsistencies are there because devs are just humans..
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#36 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by bob in der bahn
man you still don't get it..there are no crushing frames


There's definitely crushing frames, just not that late in the animation.
Hopkicks will crush low's during it's crushing frames no matter what, they just don't persist through the whole animation.
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#37 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by WeaponX
So I'm misinterpreted your posts? This is what you said.
Yes, you are misinterpreting.
Tekken 7 (subject) fails even when it comes to subjectively liking its gameplay because of how broken it is, especially in comparison to previous Tekkens.
Even if you like it, it (subject) falls shorts in many departments by not being consistent.
Nowhere I'm saying you are not intelligent for liking it or that you should not like it.

It seems you are offended by my opinion, or by the fact that I express one.

Originally posted by WeaponX
Just another piece of shit on the planet acting how smart he is. Just go play TTT2.
This is where you show how mature you are.
You are the one offending kiddo, but I don't make a big deal out of it, nor I care at all, I'll just concentrate on the pre-existing discussion.

Originally posted by sheep 2.0
Typical TZ. Mention you like the core gameplay and don't care about customizations, and then get shat on by an elitist who thinks his OPINION is fact.
It seems people here just answer emotionally rather than rationally.
I obviously replied to the part where you said "T7's gameplay is rock solid", though, which I do not agree with, not to the part where you stated you liked it, which is fine.

Pretty sad I have to specify this, honestly.

Originally posted by bob in der bahn
man you still don't get it..there are no crushing frames

look here...law is well in his crushing frames i guess...
https://youtu.be/5g74TL1LakI?t=19s
Crush frames are not always visually confirmable for all moves (see King's u/f+1+2), which is fine and probably intended.
That's the case for Law's Dragon's Flight, late animation doesn't crush, pretty well known fact.
Yes, he still gets hit while at A.King's back, that's a very fringe situation, which is logically very hard to deal with for developers and it's totally understandable; sure I don't like it, but I can deal with it no prob.
That's not an hopkick, I'm talking about hopkick, which have very enstablished features and characteristics, especially when players are just one in front of the other.

My point is, that Lee clip's situation, and several others, are obviously not intended to happen.
Clipping, going through, hitting an opponent who's supposed to being in his crush frames, etc, are all things that are not supposed to be there.

Now, it's fine if a game has some unintended and not game-compromising features.
T7, on the other hand, has the full batch.
You cannot even watch a 2 hour stream or play a 2 hour game without something very stupid happening at the game's fault.

So yeah, you're still very confused about the matter.

I don't want a perfect game, that's just not conceivable.
At least though, if T7 has literally nothing else to enjoy or distract you apart from its gameplay I just want a very solid gameplay then, something T7 doesn't have.

Last edited by Sugar Free on May 11th, 2018 at 13:43

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#38 “Quote” Edit Post
random thought:

quote me:
Originally posted by Ashesfall
still good enough to not quit the franchise and still hope for season 2 or a overhauled "ultra final" edition even tho i wont believe in it

this situation has changed a bit to me (the dead hope got a small reanimation )

so all the story outfits + new (!) stuff has hit the game ... on arcade only ...




of course i also feel a initial rage like all people with brain do
but lets try to forget that and see between the lines

Micheal Murray said stuff that build some hope for future support of tekken7
Murray: "As always, people going apeshit at the smallest news from Wonkey. As always, we announce stuff when we’re ready, and not in reaction to insults and rants."
(my thought about that: why do some people act like "apeshit"? is the question, marketing maybe? anyways ...)
TwitterUser: "Just know that we're super interested in the new customisation stuff that's popped up on the arcade version. Well aware that bringing it to console isn't as trivial as some think."
Murray: "I get wanting content. Don’t worry, this stop doesn’t interfere with Harada and I want to do cool stuff for the community. Stay tuned "

Murray later: "I am still an employee of a company, so I can’t talk about everything, but I try to say as much as I can get away with "

so either namco has the balls in 2018 to keep the trophy of an "questionable" company or we just see small glimpse of a huge content update coming to the tekken7 "home" version

ps: i will never defend that arcade/console "war" namco has created on there own ...

source: twitter and ATP
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#39 “Quote” Edit Post
oh man. Don't tell me I will have to pay for Heihachi's ripped Karategi. And he doesn't seem to have the blue aura and more obscure skin tone from the fight too (after he bites the dust and desperate struggle act begins). Maybe we can make him to look like he did in that fight by adding the tanned option + blue aura custom options?

Also, I can't see his partially fucked up in the fight red belt. Omg lazy stuff coming, and full $$$ charged lol. Season 2 "hype" begins...

And no fucking word about the fucking jukebox for PC and Xbox. This Harada-Boy and his Murray Doll™..
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#40 “Quote” Edit Post
Oh right, fuck that sh1t i don't want to get hope for no reason as usual with Tekken nobrain team, and it probably means nothing, but i'll just let this here:

So Harada just has a new Twitter avatar:




For reminder, 3 months ago he posted this:



Either Harada finally started leveling up his teases/hype skills and is planning to bring good concrete stuff for the game, or it just means nothing and he just put that avatar because he just did it. Probably the second case tho and for sure.

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