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While the nature of hit confirming is an argument I've entertained before, I thought I could do something fairly constructive to help people determine the raw capability to hit confirm moves.

Testing input windows is actually pretty easy with the programmable stick, as I just plug in the initial input on F0, then see how late you can stretch the second input, against a 2nd action guard all CPU with and without CH.

If people would like me to test their character's moves input windows I ask the following. Please give the move notation (not name), the initiation frames and the frames on block. Use this format

Character name
Move input
i20/-33

If you do this, I can look to test moves out. If you fail to read this and ask me to "test Paul", I'm happy for a mod to deal with it
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or St George to come and fuck you up
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I already have Christie/Eddy's moves up on their wiki, I certainly wouldn't mind if I test a character that people could do the same.

http://www.tekkenzaibatsu.com/wiki/...istie_Move_List

Format is input window/frames on NC/frames on NCC, where f0 is the frame on which the command is completed (not when the prior hit connects).

e.g.

Lee
2,2,3
i10/-3
50/x/41

So, you can input the final 3 on up to F50 (with the first 2 being input on F0). It's not a NC. It is a NCC, input up until F41. Inputs after that are blockable. We know that the first hit is i10, so you could suggest that there are 31F to visually confirm that the first hit has CH, but in reality visual lag will take a further 7F or so (perhaps more depending on your monitor).


https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B7B...19sdkpEMGc/edit

This is a little hit confirm program that I've been working on.

Last edited by noodalls on Jan 18th, 2013 at 23:04

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Alisa
b+2,1
18/18/18

b2,4
i18 / -9
30/30/30

uf3,2
i20 / -14
21-43/43/43

Angel

1,1,2
i10/
11-36/36/36

f+2,1,4
15f, -11 -11 -20 on block
16-33/33/33


df+1,2
15f, -3 -13 on block
16/16/16

b+1,1+2
12f, -6 -15 on block
27/22/22

b+4,1
17f, -9 -14 on block
20/20/20

db+4,3
18f, -20 -8 on block
20/x/20

WS+1,4
14f, -9 -7 on block
21/21/21

f+3, 2,1
16f (31f including f+3) -8 -13 on block
16-32/32/32

Anna
qcf+2>1
i18/-14 on block
27/27/27

qcf+3,2
i16/-8
26/26/26

uf+1,3
i13/-16
25/x/25

AOgre
3,2
i15/-3
21/21/21

d+4,4
23/x/19

Armor King
f+2,1
i15/-11
27/21/27

Asuka
3,1
i14/-11
28/28/28

f,f+2,1 (m,h) NC
15(16~)/-5
28/26/26

Asuka
f,f+2,1+2 (m,m) NC
15(16~)/-13
18/18/18

Baek
df+3,4
i22/-14
34/30/34

f+4,3
i19/-14
29/x/21

f+2,1
i15/-6
29/29/29

WS 4,4
i11/-15
25/25/25

WS 2,1
i15/-12
25/25/25

ff+4,3
i16/+1
18/18/18

d+1,4
i14/-10
28/x/25

Blob
ws+1,2
i15/-7
27/23/23

b+1+2,1
i17/-11
27/x/26

b+1+2,1,2 (assuming slowest b+1+2,1)
76/x/76

uf+1+2,1+2
45/31/31

ws2,2
14/-12
28/21/21

ws+2,1
24/16/16

f+2,3
12/-15
22/22/22

Bryan
qcb+2,4
15/-10
26/26/26

1,2,1
i10/-6
32/x/21

1,2,4
i10/-3
25/x/21

1+2,2
i17/-14
27/27/27

f+4,1
i18/-12
24/24/24

d/f+1,1
i15/-10
31/30/30

df+1,1,1,1,2 (all as slow as possible)
90/90/90

0,30,55,80,90


f+2,1,4
i15/-13
25/25/25

d+2,3
i14/-10
26/x/26

Bruce
df+1,1
i16/-2
30/23/23

1,4
i10
12/12/12

1,4,3
i10/-15
30/30/30

b+1,2
i11
10/10/10

b+1,2,1
i11-13
41/x/28

3,3
i13/-6
23/x/20

3,2
i13/-11
23/x/21

db+3,4~f
i21/-9
20/x/20

df+4,2
i14/-3
43/x/30

Christie
ws+1,3
13/13/13

1,2
14/14/14

b+1,4
15/x/15

db+2,3
18/x/18

1+2,3
19/x/19

HSP 2,4
30/x/21

b+3,3
25/x/22

df+1,1
23/23/23

ss+2,4
27/25/25

RLX 2,f+3
34/x/26

RLX 2,3
34/x/27

f+4,3+4
28/28/28

f+2,1,4
30/x/30

db+3,4
30/30/30

RLX 1+2,1+2
37/32/32

b+1,4,3+4
45/45/45

db+3+4,4
47/x/47

db+3+4,4,3
69/x/69

DJ
B+1,2
12/-15
27/19/19

d/f+1,2
13/-8
24/x/24

b,f+2,1
15/-12
30/30/30

1,2,2
10/-12
31/30/30

d/f+4,4
13/-15
24/24/24

ws+1,2
i13/-5
24/22/22

DevilKaz
1,1,2
i10/
11-36/36/36

df+1,2
i15/-13
20/20/20

Dragunov
1,2,1
i10, -12 on block
28/x/28


d/f+1,4
i13/-7
25/x/21

d/b+2,1
i14/-10
26/24/24

(d/b+2) 1,2
i14/-14
50/x/42


Feng

3,3
26/26/26

b+3,3
36/36/36

d+1+2,1,2
31-46/46/46

ws+1,2
20/20/20

f+2,1,2
19-53/x/48

f+3,4
21/21/21

Forrest
ws+1,2
i13/-17
27/22/27

b+1,2
i16/-13
32/24/24

b+1,2,1
i16/-18
56/x/46

BT 2,2
i15/-17
40/30/40

b+4,3
i14/-6
14/14/14

Ganryu
(df+1)4,1
50/x/50

d+1,2
i25/-12
38/x/31

b+2,1
i15/-5
36/25/25

df+1+2,1
37/37/37

df+1,4
i13/-13
29/20/20

Heihachi
1,1,2
i10/
11-36/36/36

d/f+1,2
i13/-13 OC
30/21/21

CD.N+4,4
18/18/18

CD+4,N+4,4
i24 (fastest possible)/-16 on block
17-45/45/45

ws+4,4
i11/-15
18/18/18

Hwoarang
LFS 3,4 (NCc)
i14/+9
24/x/23


LFS 3,f+4 (NCc)
i14/-1~-2
24/x/21

LFS 3,3 (NCc)
i14/-14
24/x/23

LFS f+3,3 (NCc)
i8/-6
24/x/18

LFS f+4,3 (NCc)
i16/+3
29/x/21

RFS f+4,4 (NCc)
i8/-6
24/x/18

RFS f+3,4 (NCc)
i16/+3
29/x/21

uf+3+4,4
i14/-13
25/25/25


RFF db+3,3
i17/-2
25/x/25

f,n,d,df+3+4, 3
i23/-5
27/27/27


J6
ff+1+2, 2
i16/-15
14/14/14

db+1+2,1+2
i16/-14
35/x/26

2,1
i11/-5
11/11/11

ws+2,1
24/24/24

df+3,2
i16/-7
26/26/26

FC,DF+2,f+1
i18/-5
19/19/19

FC,df+2,df+1
i18/-8
18/18/18

FC,df+2,df+1,2 (CH 1st hit)
i18/-8
48/x/48

ws,f+1,2
i17/-8
17/17/17

ws,f+1,2,df+1
i17/-1
46/x/46


Jaycee

d,d/f+1,2
(11)12f/-13
30/x/21

u/f+4,3
i15/-16
21/21/21

4~(2),1
i16/-12
28/25/25

Jin
df+1,4
25/20/22

CDS 1,2
i16/-14
32/27/27

b+2,1
i15/-9
28/16/28

Jinpachi
ub1,2
13/-16
30/x/21

ws 1,1
i14/-12
27/21/21


Jun
2,1
i12/-6
22/21/21

b+2,1
i14/-9
30/27/29

f+3,f+1+2 IZU
i16/+7
26/26/26

CH b+2,3
i14/-19
30/x/25

b+4,2 i13/-13
22/22/22

db+1,2 i16/-11
31/22/26

df+2,2
i17/-13
31/26/26

b+3,4
i16/-11
42/42/42

ws+1,4
i15/-11
28/23/23

f,F+2,2
i18/-17
27/27/27

f,F+2,3
i18/-8
27/27/27

Kazuya
df+3,2
28/28/28

1,1,2
i10/
11-36/36/36

b+2,4
i14/-3
30/24/24

ws+4,4
12/12/12

df+4,4
24/24/24

df+1,2_f+2_4
20/20/20

f+1+2,2
42/42/42

b+4,1
15/15/15

b+1,2
25/22/22


King

df+1,2
14f, -1 (OC - 1st hit) -11 (2nd hit, undelayed) -9 (2nd hit, delayed) on block
27/21/26


df+2,1
13f, -6 -4 on block
26/x/25

b+1,2
i12/-13
26/16/26

f+2,2
26/21/21

ws+2,2
16/16/16

Kuni
f+2,3
i13/-10
21/21/21


Lars

b+2,1
16f /-10
31/31/31

b+2,3
16f / -7 -8~-7 on block
16/16/16

(interesting that different followups have different input windows, no?)

Lee
b1:1,2 (second move input F12-14)
i15/-6 on block
16-36/36/36

2,2,3
i10/-3
50/x/41

3,3
i14/-10
14-27/27/27

f+2,1
i14/-11
27/25/25

f+1+2,3
i20,-3
38/29/29

d+4,4,3
i12,-14
14-35/x/35

ws 2,3
i14/-16
16/16/16

Leo
db1+2,1
i21 / -12
36/36/36

uf+1,2
i13/-14
22/17/17

(WS 1)4,1
45/42/42

Lili
2,4.
i10/-4
20/15/15

b+2,1
25/24/24

u/f+3+4,3
i15/-11
30/30/30

b+1,4
i17/-11
27/22/22

Marduk
d/f+2,1
i15/-13
30/x/30

d/f+3,d+1
i17/-13
22/20/20

d/f+3,1+2
i17/0
22/18/18

d/f+4,2
i13/-16
24/20/20


d+2,4
i16/-9
26/26/26

WS_VTS 1,2
i11/-9
30/x/24


1,2,f+1
i10/+4
31/

f+2,1
i16/-7
38/x/38

f+2,d+1,2
i16/-15
38/x/38

qcf+1<2
25/x/x


Marshall
b+1,2
14/-10
32/26/26


b+1,2,2
14/-14
58/x/50
But interestingly, if you delay the 2nd input beyond 15F (so 16-26F) the final hit won't combo.

ws+1,2
13/-17(DSS makes it -3 on block)
27/22/27

bt 2,2
15/-17
40/30/40

b+4,3
i14/-6
14/14/14

Michelle
df+2,3,1
16f -9~-3
21-30/30/30

Miguel
f+4,2
19/19/19
(25/25/25 in T6)

f+3,4
i20/-12
45/31/39

Nina
u/f+2,1
i18/-13
27/27/27

f+2>1
i13/-13
22/x/22

b+3,4
i18/-9
35/34/34

f+4,4
i16,+1
26/25/26

Ogre
df+3,2
i10/-12
19/19/19

df+2,1
i15/-12
16/16/16

df3+4,3+4
i23/-13
26/26/26

b+3,4
i27/-8
29/x/29

d+4,4
I19/-8
19/x/19

ws+1,2
i13/-9
27/15/24

BOOT 1,2,1+2
i51/-14
46-68/68/68

uf+1+2,1+2
45/32/32

3,2
i15/-3
21/21/21

Paul
3,2
i15/-3
21/21/21

b+1,2
22/17/17

ws+3,2
13f/-9
24/22/22

df+3,4
i16/-10
19/19/19

df+[3],4
37+/36/36

PJACK
1,1
i13/-9
13/x/13

1,1,1
i13/-11
35/35/35

1,1,2
i13/-22
35/x/x

ff+1+2,1+2
i16/-15
15/15/15

db+1+2,1+2
i16/-14
35/x/26

2,1
i11/-5
11/11/11

Slob
uf+1+2,1+2
45/31/31

Steve
1,1,2
i10/-10
29/29/29

PAB df+1,1
i15/-10
30/26/30

ws+1,2
24/14/24

PAB d/f+1,2
i15/-6
30/27/30

3,1,1
i15/-13
25/21/21

Wang
b3,4
i16/-8
23/23/23

Zafina
(d/f+1),2,1
i13~14/-14
45/x/45

d/f+4,1
i14/-12~11
14/x/14

f+2,3,4
i19/-18
39/x/39

Last edited by noodalls on Aug 3rd, 2014 at 04:41

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#3 “Quote” Edit Post
J6
ws+2,1
24/24/24


Jin df+1,4
25/20/22

Steve
ws+1,2
24/14/24

Last edited by noodalls on Dec 11th, 2012 at 08:39

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#4 “Quote” Edit Post
A bit of Jun testing would be brilliant

Jun Kazama / Unknown

b+4,2 / i13 / -13 on block
d/b+1,2 / i16 / -11 on block
d/f+2,2 / i17 / -13 on block
f,F+2,2 / i18 / -17 on block
f,F+2,3 / i18 / -8 on block
b+3,4 / i16 / -11 on block
WS 1,4 / i15 / -11 on block

Also, would it be possible to test if her 1,2,b+1+2 GEN transition can be HC without delay? Or would it require a more complex set-up than just a PS.

Thank you

Last edited by Jason4579 on Dec 11th, 2012 at 00:13

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King's b+1,2 please
12 frames start up
-13 on block.
Thanks.

Last edited by Budding Fighter on Dec 11th, 2012 at 00:23

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Originally posted by Budding Fighter
King's b+1,2 please
12 frames start up
-10 on block.
Thanks.


I am starting to believe that you are some first class troll. How can everything you post be wrong? It is -13 on block and you should know that if one can presume that your main is your avatar or something.

Can you explain why you infest each and every topic/forum with your presence? Are you one some hidden quest to spread out as much misinformation as possible?

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Originally posted by noodalls
J6 ws+2,1
Input window 1-24
NC 1-24
NCC 1-24

ws+1,2
Input window 1-24
NC 1-14
NCC 1-24



For the second Jack thing - do you mean ws,f+1,2? I'm assuming you do, but I just wanted to confirm.

I got a couple of additional Jack things:

d/f_ws+3,2
i16
-7 on block

FC,D/F+2,f+1
i18~19
-5 on block

FC,D/F+2,D/F+1,2 (just hold D/F the whole time you do 2,1,2) - looking especially for CH confirm (on first hit), if that's possible
i18~19
-8 on block

ws,f+1,2,d/f+1 (fc, f+1,D/F+2,1 will get the same resulting move) - looking especially for CH confirm (on first hit), if that's possible
i17~18
-1~2 on block

And a couple of Bruce things:

d/f+1>1
i16
-2 on block

1,4,3
i10
-15 on block

CH confirm

b+1,2,1 (note - the CH has to be confirmed before/as the b+1 makes contact, such that you do the whole string in one go. Any delay of the last 1 will ruin it)
i11
-13 on block

3>3_2
i13~14
3 - -6 on block
2 - -11~12 on block

d/f+4,2
i14
-3 on block

d/b+3,4~f (you can just test d/b+3,4, I think, or just hold F after d+3 starts animating)
i21
-9~10 on block, (forces crouch)

If you can't/don't have the time to look into CH confirms, that's cool. Just thought I'd ask. Thanks!
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Lars' b+2>1
Lars' b+2,3 (I know it's not hit confirmable anymore (do delayable moves count in this thread? If not, sorry :S )

Violet's f+2,1
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Lee/Violet

CH only 2,2>3 - i10_-3~4 on block

NH only (1),(2),2>3 - same as above ^^

NH and CH 3>3 - i14_-10 on block (easy noob HC I know, yet I'm interested to see how huge the window is now compared to BR )

NH and CH f+2>1 - i14 -11~12 on block

CH d+4>4,3 - i12, -14 on block

NH and CH f+1+2>3, i20 -3~4 on block

Ogre

NH only ws+1>2 -13, -9 on block

NH only BOOT 1,2>1+2, i51, -14~15 on block (from BOOT stance to the string impact)


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#11 “Quote” Edit Post
Jun
b+4,2 i13/-13
22/22/22

db+1,2 i16/-11
31/22/26

df+2,2
i17/-13
31/26/26

b+3,4
i16/-11
42/42/42

ws+1,4
i15/-11
28/23/23

f,F+2,2
i18/-17
27/27/27

f,F+2,3
i18/-8
27/27/27

King
b+1,2
i12/-13
26/16/26

Last edited by noodalls on Dec 11th, 2012 at 10:11

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#12 “Quote” Edit Post
Format is input window/frames on NC/frames on NCC

J6
df+3,2
i16/-7
26/26/26

FC,DF+2,f+1
i18/-5
19/19/19

FC,df+2,df+1
i18/-8
18/18/18

FC,df+2,df+1,2 (CH 1st hit)
i18/-8
48/x/48

ws,f+1,2
i17/-8
17/17/17

ws,f+1,2,df+1
i17/-1
46/x/46

Bruce
df+1,1
i16/-2
30/23/23

1,4
i10
12/12/12

1,4,3
i10/-15
30/30/30

b+1,2
i11
10/10/10

b+1,2,1
i11-13
41/x/28

3,3
i13/-6
23/x/20

3,2
i13/-11
23/x/21

db+3,4~f
i21/-9
20/x/20

df+4,2
i14/-3
43/x/30
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#13 “Quote” Edit Post
Lee
2,2,3
i10/-3
50/x/41

3,3
i14/-10
14-27/27/27

f+2,1
i14/-11
27/25/25

f+1+2,3
i20,-3
38/29/29

d+4,4,3
i12,-14
14-35/x/35

Ogre
ws+1,2
i13/-9
27/15/24

BOOT 1,2,1+2
i51/-14
46-68/68/68

Last edited by noodalls on Dec 11th, 2012 at 02:56

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#15 “Quote” Edit Post
Feng 3,3

b+3,3

d+1+2,1,2


Edit: can you test Feng's WS+1,2?


I really feel like you can hit confirm the 2, but not 100% sure.
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#16 “Quote” Edit Post
Heihachi
1,1,2
i10/
11-36/36/36

DJ
1,1,2
i10/
11-36/36/36

Angel
1,1,2
i10/
11-36/36/36

Kazuya/Devil
1,1,2
i10/
11-36/36/36
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#19 “Quote” Edit Post
King

df+2,1
13f, -6 -4 on block
f+2,2,1
15f, -3 -4 -4 on block
f+2,2,2
15f, -3 -4 -10 on block

Angel

f+2,1,4
15f, -11 -11 -20 on block
df+1,2
15f, -3 -13 on block
b+1,1+2
12f, -6 -15 on block
b+4,1
17f, -9 -14 on block
db+4,3
18f, -20 -8 on block
WS+1,4
14f, -9 -7 on block
f+3, 2,1
16f (31f including f+3) -8 -13 on block
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#20 “Quote” Edit Post
King

df+2,1
13f, -6 -4 on block
26/x/25

f+2,2,1
15f, -3 -4 -4 on block
Am I dumb. Does this even NCC?

f+2,2,2
15f, -3 -4 -10 on block
Am I dumb again? Does this NCC?

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