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WeaponX
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#601 “Quote” Edit Post
last hit of 21 on CH doesn't launch. Arrrrgh
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#602 “Quote” Edit Post
Oh well. Players who knew better wouldn't ever fall for that anyway.
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#603 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by Melee_Sovereign
Oh well. Players who knew better wouldn't ever fall for that anyway.


add me on PSN. We should play sometime.
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#604 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by WeaponX
add me on PSN. We should play sometime.


Sure. Or come to my house since we're both in L.A.
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#605 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by WeaponX
last hit of 21 on CH doesn't launch. Arrrrgh


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I went fishing with that.
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#606 “Quote” Edit Post
so.. thoughts on if Zaf is better as a starting character or anchor?

Personally i like her up-front coz I find it hard to make comebacks with her <__< and I still suck with Anna so I'm more comfortable with her..
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#607 “Quote” Edit Post
Anybody know of any reliable pokes? mostly using db+2, 1,2. Not really sure what to use really.
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#608 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by Eternal Blaze
so.. thoughts on if Zaf is better as a starting character or anchor?

Personally i like her up-front coz I find it hard to make comebacks with her <__< and I still suck with Anna so I'm more comfortable with her..


It depends on my teams, which are Lei/Zaf or Kuni/Zaf. If it's with Lei, then I use her as an anchor since I'm equally skilled with Lei as I am with Zaf and I can make comebacks with both of them. But with Kunimitsu, I use Zafina upfront because I'm not that good Kuni yet.

Originally posted by thundr51
Anybody know of any reliable pokes? mostly using db+2, 1,2. Not really sure what to use really.


I use:
b+1+2
df+3,4 or df+3~b
d+1,1
db+4
d+3
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#609 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by Eternal Blaze
so.. thoughts on if Zaf is better as a starting character or anchor?


Well she's not the best TA around, and she's quite solid as a starting character.

Originally posted by thundr51
Anybody know of any reliable pokes? mostly using db+2, 1,2. Not really sure what to use really.


d/f+1
d/f+1,2,1
d/b+2
2,1
2,2
2,2,1+2
d/f+3~b
d/b+4
d+3
b+1+2
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#610 “Quote” Edit Post
For me, when I play it safer, i.e with people who knows her frame and moves and the follow-up properties, I use the following moves. I will only state their pros, they do have their flaws too.

df1 - decent range, safe, on hit can use other moves as followups as people expect the "2/4" after it.

db2 - used after quick pokes on block, even df1 on block, people get CH for follow up, crunches high.

b1+2 - Incredible range & that crunches many things. "Safe" to a certain extent as people dun expect a low from such a long range.

1,3~B - used to poke, stay in stance for mixups if used as a i10 punisher. On block, db2 can be used to crush/CH people.

b1 - I wouldnt consider this real "poking" but its still good to use and has a good range & pushback on block.

d3 - my favourite move yet, good for annoying people and awesome for mixups (some are listed in the mixup thread) and has good frames on hit and not very punishable on block.

db3~B - Isnt half bad either, its quite unseeable and not very punishable also.

ff3~B - I dun think this counts as a poke, but I do use this to harass my opponents and it puts me at 0 frames on block, which is really awesome.

f1 - Real meaning of poke. Good frame on block and hit, just to harass opponents with this.


Btw, after playing online for a bit, the move ff2 aint that bad. I know its high, but I think it gives +1 frame on block and tracks and also disrupts a person's momentum if used correctly.
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#611 “Quote” Edit Post
What's up, kids. Where's sithlord at??? I know you're lurking around here, man. Well, fine. I got the game. Lili/Zafina it is! Team Mediocre. Not that I care, as I've long since retired from serious tournament play.

The one thing I've noticed is that there isn't a single "Zafina Primer" thread for TTT2... kind of a one-stop shop for a solid intro to her best moves (and why), and some basic strategies. Has anyone here thought of putting something like that together?

Zafina is still fun as hell, but man, she still seems insanely unsafe. CDjr, if you're reading this, I would NOT pick up Zafina while you're learning this game, particularly if you're considering attempting to be competitive in tournaments. Pick someone easier and higher tier.
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#612 “Quote” Edit Post
I think those different basics are scattered around different threads hahah. Like the combo thread, the discussion thread, the mindgame & mixup threads. Maybe someone could consolidate it into one?

But I must say zaf/lili is not a bad team, they can do some really nice combos tgt.
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#613 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by S-square
I think those different basics are scattered around different threads hahah. Like the combo thread, the discussion thread, the mindgame & mixup threads. Maybe someone could consolidate it into one?

But I must say zaf/lili is not a bad team, they can do some really nice combos tgt.



What are her bread & butter combos with Lili?
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#614 “Quote” Edit Post
Well, you can take a look at the combo discussion for the zafina combo, but for lili's TA!, I would suggest the 3 hit = d2,2,3 I cant rmb if its d2,2,3 or 4, but its the one that flips the opp in the air instead of kicks the opp away). For more examples, you could go search PECA in youtube for good zaf/lili matches which will also have their combos

PS: But try not to do the ws2 inbtwn combos unless you are very confident, cause no offense to PECA but he dropped many of those combos, some of which have even cost him some very impt matches, showing how hard it is to do and how inconsistent it is.
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#615 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by DrBhup666
What are her bread & butter combos with Lili?


Here are the combos that I use:

[Lili on Point]
uf3 f2,3 df3+4 bt1+2~5 B! (Zaf SS df1+2) ff3~f1,2 [81]
uf3 df2~b bt1,2 df3 B! (Zaf MNT d1,4) ff3~f1,2 [82]

ws2~b uf4 df2~b bt1,2 df3~5 B! (Zaf MNT d1,4) ff3~f1,2 [89]
ws2~5 (Zaf ff2 f2,3~b 1+2~5 B!) Lil d3+4 (Zaf 2,1,3) [93]
ws2~5 (Zaf ff2 f2,3~b 1+2~5 B! dash 3 SCR4) [81] - Taggable / Red Life Killer

d3+4~5 (Zaf uf~n4 ff3~b~5 B!) Lil d2,2,3 (Zaf 2,1,3) [100]
d3+4~5 (Zaf uf~n4 f2,3~b 1+2 B! dash 3 SCR4) [87] - Taggable / Red Life Killer

ws3,4~5 B! (Zaf MNT d3,1 d1,4) Lil ff3~f1,2 [92]

3+4 f1+2~5 B! (Zaf ws1,2) Lil ws2 3,2,3 [79]
3+4 f1+2~5 B! (Zaf ws1,2) Lil ws2~5 (Zaf 3 SCR4) [81] - Taggable, Incosistent, Might be axis dependent

df3+4 d1 ws2~5 (Zaf 1+2~5 B!) Lil b1,4 (Zaf 2,1,3) [78]
bt1+2 db1 ws2~5 (Zaf 1+2~5 B!) Lil b1,4 (Zaf 2,1,3) [90]

CH SSL 1+2 b3+4 bt1+2~5 B! (Zaf MNT d3,1 d1,4) Lil ff3~ff1,2 [95] - Does not work with SSR 1+2


[Zafina on Point]
df2 uf1 f2,3~b 1+2~5 B! (Lil d3+4) Zaf 213 [82]
df2 uf1 f2,3~b 1+2~5 B! (Lil b1,4) Zaf uf1+2 [76]

ws2~5 (Lil f2,3 df3+4 bt1+2~5 B!) Zaf df1+2 (Lil ff3~f1,2) [91]

SCR df3 ws3 SCR1+2~5 B! (Lil d223) Zaf 2,1,3 [97]

ws1,2 f2,3~b 1+2~5 B! (Lil d3+4) Zaf 2,1,3[74]
ws1,2~5 (Lil df2~b bt1,2 df3 B! ff3~f1,2) [68] - Red Life Killer

CH SCR1+2 ws1,2 1+2~5 B! (Lil d1,4) Zaf 2,1,3 [103]

CH SCR2 SCRf3,3 SCR1+2~5 B! (Lil b1,4) Zaf 2,1,3 [92]

CH ws3 SCR3+4~5 B! (Lil d2,2,3) Zaf 2,1,3 [90]

CH (1) 4 TRT 1+2~5 B! (Lil d2,2,3) Zaf 2,1,3 [78]

SCR4 SCR1 SCR1+2~5 B! (Lil d2,2,3) Zaf 2,1,3 [96]
SCR4 (Lil f2,3 df3+4 bt1+2 B! ff3~f1,2) [88] - Red Life Killer


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You can include these in the Combo Thread if you like
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DrBhup666
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#616 “Quote” Edit Post
^^ Holy crap! Thanks a bunch, man!

This is why I love TZ


Could you post these in the Lili combo forum as well?

Last edited by DrBhup666 on Sep 21st, 2012 at 09:51

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#617 “Quote” Edit Post
Quick Zafina vs Paul. 1+2,4 punishes deathfist. Be always defensive. Forget going into stances unless it is oki or in juggles. Make him pay the price when you block d+1+2, demo man.
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#618 “Quote” Edit Post
1+2,4 is 16 frames O_o. That would mean Deathfist can be launched, though maybe her d/f+2 doesn't have enough range.
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#619 “Quote” Edit Post
Does anyone have some sample combos for Zaf/Jaycee?
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#620 “Quote” Edit Post
What exactly are some strategies against opponents who are not afraid of Zafina at all? There are times where everything I do will be easily predicted, and I'll get rushed down. I notice this when fighting against Baek and Hworang. Granted, I'm still green when it comes to Tekken online competitive play, and I do feel as if I play too predictable with her. I think I just need general help with her.

Also, I'm currently using Jun as a tag partner but since I'm not too adept with Jun I'm trying to test the waters with other characters. Any idea if a Wang/Zafina team would synergize well?

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