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goldhedgehog
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#141 “Quote” Edit Post
ff2 is -12f. That Jack-6 from the video just wasn't punishing fast enough. Seems that you have to punish straight away when roger does the ff2.

Also...

b2,4 comes out at i14f.
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jiorio95
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#142 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by goldhedgehog
ff2 is -12f. That Jack-6 from the video just wasn't punishing fast enough. Seems that you have to punish straight away when roger does the ff2.

Also...

b2,4 comes out at i14f.


Good info. Thanks for posting it.

If ff2 is still -12 then that's an awesome buff for Roger. I haven't seen enough b2,4 to even venture a guess if it is a better -14 punisher than df1>2, damage or + on hit frame wise.
tally_ho
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#143 “Quote” Edit Post
b24 is nc? and KNDs?
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goldhedgehog
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#144 “Quote” Edit Post
b2,4 does more damage than df1,2 I imagine since the kick in the b2,4 sparks and then knocks down.

Yes, b2,4 is indeed NC and KND
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#145 “Quote” Edit Post
How's the reach of b+2,4 vs df+1,2? Still shit?
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tally_ho
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#146 “Quote” Edit Post
In that case we should always take b+2,4 over d/f+1,2.

Reason being d/f+1,2 on hit gives +1. And given that other characters got moves that go under jabs and have been getting buffed, a follow up would be 50/50, we can even get random hopkicked in the face.

Whereas when we do b+2,4 it KND and we are at a psychological advantage. We have time to wavedash to them or we can fff3 them, we can dash forward for a df33.

KND > +1 frame

wall splats? If yes, I would follow this up after a blocked ROC 3+4 when opponents back is to the wall
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#147 “Quote” Edit Post
At least it can punish Lars f+1+2 haha.

tally_ho: yes it wall splats.
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tally_ho
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#148 “Quote” Edit Post
TZ should have a "like" button. Wouldv'e liked the post above. ^
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#149 “Quote” Edit Post
b2,4 has decent reach. Roger can punish King's FCdf2 which is -14 but I think df1,2 reaches a bit more due to Roger leaning forward a bit during the df1 animation.
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jiorio95
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#150 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by tally_ho


Reason being d/f+1,2 on hit gives +1. And given that other characters got moves that go under jabs and have been getting buffed, a follow up would be 50/50, we can even get random hopkicked in the face.

Whereas when we do b+2,4 it KND and we are at a psychological advantage. We have time to wavedash to them or we can fff3 them, we can dash forward for a df33.

KND > +1 frame


df+1>2 only +1 on hit? df1>2 was +5 in BR and I never saw a nerf. Are you sure you aren't looking at the undelayed version of the move for the frame data? Just want to make sure I didn't miss a big nerf.

I agree with you guys 100%, even if df1>2 is still +5 on hit. The KND and possible wall splate for b2,4 as a -14 frame punisher is awesome and makes it the better punisher overall.
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#151 “Quote” Edit Post
http://web.tekken-net.jp/tag2/commo...c6fb2f6f959.jpg hopefully this pic works roger jr has a red hoodie on with this item I can do rogers special throw from t6 where roger jr punches you in the face. Doesnt do a wall splat and didnt try to tag out off it damn it but Iwill later doubt it works though. He also has a 2 million special item Ill buy after a 2 million item for steve.
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#152 “Quote” Edit Post
Im positive that is plus 1. Test it. Df 1,2 on hit. Do a df4. Jab will beat u. Nonetheless, i still kinda throw out df1,2 every now end then so they wont see the df1~GS. Df1,2 should have a crumple stun when the 2 is delayed.
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#153 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by tally_ho
Im positive that is plus 1. Test it. Df 1,2 on hit. Do a df4. Jab will beat u. Nonetheless, i still kinda throw out df1,2 every now end then so they wont see the df1~GS. Df1,2 should have a crumple stun when the 2 is delayed.


I agree that df1,2 is +1, but df1<2 delayed was +6 in BR. If you do the slight delay of the 2 in df1<2 you would get still make the string NC but the frames would change from +1 on hit to +6.

Can you guys test 1+2? Japanese wiki shows the move is back to +1~+2 on block. Please test asap as this would be awesome news.

EDIT: Hopkick was tested and is -13 now I saw in the TTT Unlimited thread. Won't make much of a difference overall, imo.

Also I updated first post with the new TTTU info and wiki findings. Let me know if something needs to be corrected.

Last edited by jiorio95 on Apr 2nd, 2012 at 18:45

tally_ho
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#154 “Quote” Edit Post
and again, i need that like button. good job jiorio
keeping my fingers crossed for 1+2. and does that move really have tracking properties? would be a great tool vs lilis who just love to ss.

might want to add b+2,4 as assault filler
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#155 “Quote” Edit Post
1+2 tracks so freaking well in BR it mine as well be a homing move.

I will add that b2,4 as an assault filler.

Keep the updates coming. Thanks.
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#156 “Quote” Edit Post
No update, just a question.

What's the most a solo Roger can get from a db3?

db3 df1+2 df33 d3+4

? Is that it?
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#157 “Quote” Edit Post
Stoic be a pal and test this for me. 3~4~5 d/f 1,2~1, ff2~5, b2,4, sonic fang.
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#158 “Quote” Edit Post
sorry forgot about your post ill try it tuesday at the arcade. Although Im finally getting comparable to the better players here so we dont play as much since its expensive for them
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#159 “Quote” Edit Post
Has anyone tested to see if 1+2 is back to being +1 on block? Thanks.
Stoic Steve
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#160 “Quote” Edit Post
hey tally that combo works there are harder ones that can get a little more damage but that one isnt hard and decent damage

Edit I bought roger jrs 2 million dollar mask special item. IF you kill them with giant swing there top half gets spiked in the ground. I think this was in t5 not sure about t6 i didnt really play that much maybe im getting them confused

Last edited by Stoic Steve on Apr 17th, 2012 at 16:08

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