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Psypher
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#21 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by MCP
Mind block?
You're going to have to explain what comes out instead of EWGF when you play kazuya, because besides 13f ewgf, there is no difference between Heihachi, Devil Jin, and Kazuya.


I usually just get a WGF

Edit: With - EWGF, EWGF, WGF, EWGF, WGF, EWGF, EWGF, WGF, EWGF, WGF

But with - EWGF, EWGF, EWGF, EWGF, EWGF, WGF, EWGF, EWGF, EWGF, WGF


That's generally what the consistency is like

Last edited by Psypher on Feb 6th, 2012 at 19:27

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#22 “Quote” Edit Post
Practice, d/f and 2 at the same time.

Turn on command history and see if it is showing f n d/f 2 on some of those.

Otherwise it sounds like a mind block, as f,n,d,d/f+2 is the same for heihachi and kazuya.
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#23 “Quote” Edit Post
Ok, I see.. Thanks man
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#24 “Quote” Edit Post
Customise him to look like Heihachi, or otherwise stick a Heihachi cutout over your monitor.
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#25 “Quote” Edit Post
Shout SEEYAAAA as loud as you can.

I have one non joke idea.

In practice mode, do the Electrics with heihachi, then take not of your hand position. Whatever you do, do not move that position. Freeze it. Then go back to character select, pick kazuya and make sure you don't change your position in any way. Soon as it starts immediately try to do EWGF.

You may be shifting how you hold your hand for some reason when using Kazuya, which could be messing you up.
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#26 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by St. George
Customise him to look like Heihachi, or otherwise stick a Heihachi cutout over your monitor.


Yeah, Imma do that
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#27 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by Morninglord
Shout SEEYAAAA as loud as you can.

I have one non joke idea.

In practice mode, do the Electrics with heihachi, then take not of your hand position. Whatever you do, do not move that position. Freeze it. Then go back to character select, pick kazuya and make sure you don't change your position in any way. Soon as it starts immediately try to do EWGF.

You may be shifting how you hold your hand for some reason when using Kazuya, which could be messing you up.


I shall try
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#28 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by Psypher
I shall try

Actually for Heihachi to do a ewgf the timing from d to df is tighter than Kazuya.
So it actually should be easier for you do an ewgf with Kaz.
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#29 “Quote” Edit Post
Hey Klyde, at first I thought you were wrong, but then I looked into it and learned something interesting.

First off, most users may want to skip the information that follows, Lesson: If you can EWGF with heihachi, you can EWGF with kazuya.
Also, D/F and 2 at the SAME TIME ALWAYS.

Now for the frame analysis. According to Vittujee, Kazuya can be in neutral for even longer than Heihachi and Devil Jin. Interesting, but not very useful for matches.
Originally posted by vittujee
fun facts about ewgf!

f,n,d~df2 the maximum time during neutral is
heihachi: 316ms+1f (20f)
deviljin: 316ms+1f (20f)
kazuya: 667ms+1f (41f)

f,n,d~df2 the maximum time between d and df2 is
heihachi: 166ms+1f (11f
deviljin: 166ms+1f (11f)
kazuya: 166ms+1f (11f)


So Kazuya has an even bigger window on the f,n part than heihachi and devil jin.

But then noodalls disagrees and says all three have the same input.
http://www.tekkenzaibatsu.com/forum...901#post4016901

Input requirements for EWGF (some background).

Four number for each. First number refers to the frame when F can be released. Second number refers to the frame when D can be pressed, third number refers to the shift to DF and forth number refers to pressing 2.

T6 DJ Slowest EWGF
11 21 31 31

T6 DJ Slowest WGF
11 21 31 50

T6 Hei Slowest EWGF
11 21 31 31

T6 Hei Slowest WGF
11 21 31 51

T6 Kaz Slowest EWGF
11 21 31 31

T6 Kaz Slowest WGF
11 21 31 50

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#30 “Quote” Edit Post
^^
Guys , I figured out what I was doing wrong.

Because with Kaz I can EWGF by f,n,df+2 I was slacking on the speed of the 2 input, however with Heihachi I had to be accurate f,n,d,df2 (no Mist Step)

Thanks, I get it now
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#31 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by Psypher
Because with Kaz I can EWGF by f,n,df+2 I was slacking on the speed of the 2 input, however with Heihachi I had to be accurate f,n,d,df2 (no Mist Step)


Yes doing the f,n,d,df+2 should the be input you try for all mishimas. The only times I would think of doing mist Ewgf is after gut punch, or trying to punish 13f moves, and also to beat out certain moves.

MCP

So I was wrong about the d to df thing, but right about the motion being tighter eh?
I figured it was tighter because I could dewgf with Kaz consistently but couldn't really get it down with Hei.

Also you know what this means right? Kaz can dash a lot further than Hei and still pull out an Ewgf.
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#32 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by Klyde
...Also you know what this means right? Kaz can dash a lot further than Hei and still pull out an Ewgf.


Kaz is the man!!
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#33 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by Klyde
Yes doing the f,n,d,df+2 should the be input you try for all mishimas. The only times I would think of doing mist Ewgf is after gut punch, or trying to punish 13f moves, and also to beat out certain moves.

MCP

So I was wrong about the d to df thing, but right about the motion being tighter eh?
I figured it was tighter because I could dewgf with Kaz consistently but couldn't really get it down with Hei.

Also you know what this means right? Kaz can dash a lot further than Hei and still pull out an Ewgf.


I throw out MSEwgf pretty much any time I throw out a standing EWGF (I can DEWGF fine with any mishima tho). Part of the reason I can't play any mishima besides Kaz.

Also, MCP, I see you forgot to add my note on CH d/f+2~ewgf. No rush, just figure it's good info for anyone who isn't presently informed of it.
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#34 “Quote” Edit Post
i have heard that EWGF can be buffered is that true?
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#35 “Quote” Edit Post
In the same way one can buffer giant swing (f,n,hcf+1)? No.

Meaning, one cannot buffer the f,n,d or f,n part in order to make the ewgf come out instantly, as if you just hit d/f+2 and ewgf came out in 11 frames.

The fastest ewgf are either:
13 frames: f,n,d/f+2 (1 + 1 + 11 frames)
14 frames: f,n,d,d/f+2 (1 + 1 + 1 + 11 frames)

There is no way around it.
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#36 “Quote” Edit Post
I buffered EWGF once.... and then I woke up.
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#37 “Quote” Edit Post
alright then thanks for the info MCP...


Originally posted by Shotokan
I buffered EWGF once.... and then I woke up.


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#38 “Quote” Edit Post
I wish ws+2 had df+2 ch property. It'd be sick if ws+2~5 lead to assist char launch. Also....was really hoping dj got ws+2~5 also.
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#39 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by MCP
The fastest ewgf are either:
13 frames: f,n,d/f+2 (1 + 1 + 11 frames)
14 frames: f,n,d,d/f+2 (1 + 1 + 1 + 11 frames)

There is no way around it.


13 frames: f,d,d/f+2(1+ 1 + 11frames)

The Way around it
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#40 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by Dilly
Try it yourself...it works like a charm. You have to hold F though, you can't just tap it. The game recognizes the holding as you tapping it (as long as you release it soon enough), then the N~d/f+2 finishes out the pewgf. It seriously works.


what i dont even... i have failed d/f+2 ~ EWGF launch so MANY times! because i did d/f+2 and didnt hold front button so i manually did F,N,D/F+2 (after i recovered from d/f+2 ) but i always failed, i will try this technique of yours, i sure hope it works ( i have realy frustrated on getting this launch right, never once succeeded on it

ok Dilly im gonna try it, if this works... im gonna love you !
if it doesn't work, then its probably my fault and i need to practice it.

thanks anyway!

EDIT: ok so i tried this, many times and no luck, the holding F button then release and do D/F+2 should make it faster but god damn, i still cant do the launch, its impossible, you need the best damn arcade stick to do this or something, why did they make this so hard !

Last edited by Kenshobu on Aug 20th, 2012 at 03:16

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