MIGUEL: Next Level of Manliness [TTT2 Info]

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(NYC)Fab
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#21 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by Sephiblack
f+2(15frames) is on CH a jugglestarter like Steves b+1 Still safe, but not so huge pushback on block like in T6.
Hmm... does it still high crush? if it does its pretty solid than.
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#22 “Quote” Edit Post
Always loved f+2 for the sick push back and chunky damage, getting a CH juggle is just plain sweet. Will make separate threads for vids / combos / movelist after this weekend is done. Anyone seen any vids about?
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#23 “Quote” Edit Post
Nice solid updates for Miguel..homing move that juggles wheee

Yo Jay has Miguel any special tag throw/move with specific characters?
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#24 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by Jordyce

Cheyne; the forums are hiring, hope you're putting your name down for admin.


I'm not very interested in moderating, but to be honest there are so many fucking McSpastics applying that I'd do it just so they're not in control of anything. I'm sure the admins have more sense than to let some idiot from central US with a rogue ranked character online moderate a forum regarding a game he won't touch for a year and a half at least.

I have never used f+2 with Miguel, it's one of those moves I don't know even exists. I will fiddle with it on Tuesday if it's getting buffed. I'm pretty optimistic about tag Miguel. Alisa has gone to shit, I'm sick of Lee and I've never really liked Lili so Jack and Miguel are looking beastly and promising.
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#25 “Quote” Edit Post
Hey John, no tag throws/moves that I'm aware of.

Quick update:
- f4,2 is not hit confirmable anymore
- f2+3 seems to work in wall combos? (like WB!, df1, f2+3 not sure yet)
- db1, ff2,2~d low jab doesnt work, ws1 doesnt work
- f2 gives CH launch yes
- f+2+4 throw doesnt give free db4 anymore, can be backrolled
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#26 “Quote” Edit Post
What sort of execution / hitbox are we looking at for f+2+3? Chances of using it like Paul's shoulder on W! for the grounded 70% damage?
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#27 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by jAy-kEi

- f4,2 is not hit confirmable anymore
- f2+3 seems to work in wall combos? (like WB!, df1, f2+3 not sure yet)
- f+2+4 throw doesnt give free db4 anymore, can be backrolled


Thats sad that f4,2 is not hit confirmable anymore
How fast would you say is f+2+3? I want to know if it's a good move for him or just an unnecessary addition, because he already has b+4 which is a safe and fast w! move.
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#28 “Quote” Edit Post
f2+3 seems to be pretty slow overall however it does a lot of damage, the interesting thing about it is its safe and the frame data says -1 to +1 on block so depending on how short or far the person blocks it depends on that. Another interesting thing is df1 says -1 on block in the frame data, but if you go into sav its 0 on block like br which isn't bad. Also ff3 is said to be -9? in the frame data so is anyone sure its -10, but the push back is good so it doesn't even matter.

Also hear is a link to someone using f2+3 at 0:32 :
http://www.youtube.com/user/Shintai...u/5/oFdzG77qq5k

Last edited by (NYC)Fab on Sep 19th, 2011 at 06:33

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#29 “Quote” Edit Post
f+2+3 is also great because it has a very low hitbox and it stuffs high moves.
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#30 “Quote” Edit Post
Looks more like a faster version of Kings shoulder charge, but it seems pretty usefull that Miguel was spamming it.

does anyone know a video where Miguels new ff3 or f2 launches?
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#31 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by (NYC)Fab
f2+3 seems to be pretty slow overall however it does a lot of damage, the interesting thing about it is its safe and the frame data says -1 to +1 on block so depending on how short or far the person blocks it depends on that. Another interesting thing is df1 says -1 on block in the frame data, but if you go into sav its 0 on block like br which isn't bad. Also ff3 is said to be -9? in the frame data so is anyone sure its -10, but the push back is good so it doesn't even matter.

Also hear is a link to someone using f2+3 at 0:32 :
http://www.youtube.com/user/Shintai...u/5/oFdzG77qq5k

Ahh, interesting! Where did you got the framedata of TTT2 Fab? Is it already released?
F+2+3 looks easy steppable somehow:S

Edit: I think I found a special Tag throw^^ It begins 4:02 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLzG6ZSYEHg

Last edited by Sephiblack on Sep 19th, 2011 at 15:10

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#32 “Quote” Edit Post
Dear god f+2+3 looks ugly. Like a really crappily animated version of d+1+2.

Accidentally deleted the post among all of Sephiblack's accidental posts, but that special tag throw is actually a generic.
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#33 “Quote” Edit Post
f+2+3 looks fucking sexy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

It has that mini rollback on NH, but maybe on CH you can get it to rollback further like King's CH f+2+3, you might be able to get CH f+2+3, dash, d+4,1+2
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#34 “Quote” Edit Post
regards from venezuela,sephiblack i found this,hope you can translate http://www.tekken-official.jp/tag2a...ters/miguel.pdf
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#35 “Quote” Edit Post
whats the punish of u/f 4 now???
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#36 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by PSXFURY
regards from venezuela,sephiblack i found this,hope you can translate http://www.tekken-official.jp/tag2a...ters/miguel.pdf


Yep, we've got most of that info already. I'll be posting an updated / translated movelist up as a post within the next few days.

Writing new movelist now.

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aasii
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#37 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by Sephiblack
Thats sad that f4,2 is not hit confirmable anymore
How fast would you say is f+2+3? I want to know if it's a good move for him or just an unnecessary addition, because he already has b+4 which is a safe and fast w! move.


sephi f4 2 is hit confirmable i think bcoz i tried it today it was really great fun to play with miguel
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jAy-kEi
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#38 “Quote” Edit Post
@aasii

What build are you playing? Because I can't hitconfirm it in this build.
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aasii
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#39 “Quote” Edit Post
brv i dont know abt build i play it yesterday in london euro gamer exibition.
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#40 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by aasii
brv i dont know abt build i play it yesterday in london euro gamer exibition.


That's why. You're playing a beta build, there's been plenty of changes since then.

Guess we can confirm f+4,2 as non-hit confirmable now, no more conflicting info.


jAy-kEi; I'm not seeing ff+3 as that broken or amazing, what are your thoughts on it? I mean you can call it safe, but -9 and duckable for a launch isn't exactly spammable, and I don't think it has the chunky EWGF style hitbox.
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