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Jordyce
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The old TTT2 thread was pretty much a wishlist of Miguel, but now that the game has officially been released in Japan, I felt it's time to have a thread detected to factual information about Miguel. When the TTT2 character forums are opened, we'll move everything over there.

If you so wish, you can find the old TTT2 thread here.

I will update this thread within the next 1-2 days with as many details about Miguel as I can, including a list of new moves and hopefully their properties.

If you have any information, please post it up here! Also post up any non-beta test videos you find here. Basically, videos posted on or after September 14th are fine. I know the old videos are fun to watch, but I don't want to risk any contamination of new information - go watch some 6.0 videos if you want to know why.

New Moves
f+2+3
Mid shoulder charge, long range, B! ender. Safe.
ff+3
High kick, homing, launch on nh+ch. Safe.
ff+2,2(~d)
Mid-mid punches, nc, B! ender. -14. Hold down to cancel second hit.

Changed Moves
2,1
29 to 36 damage.
3,4
20,20 to 16,24 damage (still 40 total).
f+2
31 to 20 damage. Juggle on ch.
f+4,2
No longer hc.
d/f+1
-0 to -2 on block.
d/f+2,1(~5)
Taggable launcher.
d/b+4
Reduced tracking.
u/f+1
High -> Mid. 28 to 32 damage. +7 to +3 on block.
ff+2,1
-14 to -9 on block.
ws+1
14 to 19 damage.
SAV 1,1
Knock down on hit.
SAV 1,2,1
Taggable launcher.[/u]
SAV 2
Can no longer be held for extra damage.
SAV 1+2
Taggable launcher.
SAV d/f+2(~5)
Taggable launcher.
2+4~5
Taggable throw. Nothing guaranteed.

Last edited by Jordyce on Aug 11th, 2012 at 18:24

Jordyce
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#2 “Quote” Edit Post
Changelog

New Moves
source can be found here.

f+2+3
mid. shoulder charge.
approx -3 on block. grants KND and W! on NH.
ff+2,2(~d)
mid, mid. possibly grants KND and W! on NH.
good B! and W! ender. unsafe. holding ~d cancels second hit to FC.
ff+3
high. homing move.
approx -9. juggle on NH.

There appears to be no new throws, transitions to SAV, or moves from SAV.

Changed Moves

1+2,1+2(~d) = holding ~d cancels second hit to FC.
f+2 = grants juggle on CH.
d/f+1 = slight(ly more) negative frames on block.
d/b+4 = appears to track less.
u/f+1 = from high to mid.
SAV u/f+3 = no longer grants juggle. now safe. W! on NH.

Last edited by Jordyce on Sep 23rd, 2011 at 00:49

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jAy-kEi
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#4 “Quote” Edit Post
Hey,

ff+2,2~d cancels the 2nd hit, leaves you FC if I'm correct.
1+2,1+2, i have no idea I'll test it today

f+2+3 is BAD ASS I'll try to cap it today.
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Hell yes, you rock dude.

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#6 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by jAy-kEi
Hey,

ff+2,2~d cancels the 2nd hit, leaves you FC if I'm correct.
1+2,1+2, i have no idea I'll test it today

f+2+3 is BAD ASS I'll try to cap it today.
Hmm... Jay-kei can you test if you can some how do db1, ff2,2~d fc1,cc df1 or maybe right into a B!(d2, sav f2, df2,2) works at all?
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I think ff2,1 also gives W!(in T6 just KND), which is safe but not interruptable and duckable. Is that right?
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#8 “Quote” Edit Post
Hi Fab,
I think the combo you mentioned is impossible to do as the cancel is very slow. I will try it however.

Hey Sephiblack how are you mate?
ff21 is definately duckable, but is now safe because of the mid version

After some testing:
- f2+3 looks very low - frames, something like -3
- ff3 looks unsafe -10 (I have to confirm this)

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Hey Wogus
How is it possible to juggle after ff+3? I only thought it gives w! and on block Miguel looked like he's in advantage xD
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Originally posted by Sephiblack
Hey Wogus
How is it possible to juggle after ff+3? I only thought it gives w! and on block Miguel looked like he's in advantage xD



If it's NH and gives a juggle, no chance of it being advantage. Not unless he's Miguel Mishima all of a sudden

If it's homing and gives juggle then -10 seems right, even for a high.
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Originally posted by Sephiblack
Hey Wogus
How is it possible to juggle after ff+3? I only thought it gives w! and on block Miguel looked like he's in advantage xD


It gives an effect like lars CH ff+1+2, you can dash up for df1, sav df1 etc for full combo

Im pretty sure its unsafe too
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#12 “Quote” Edit Post
Figures Mishimas get super homing EWGFs and Miguel's equivalent is -10.
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#13 “Quote” Edit Post
Miguel is not Japanese! That's why.

Just a small update,

1+2,1+2~d leaves you FC too cancelling the 2nd hit.

More info tomorrow.
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Originally posted by jAy-kEi
It gives an effect like lars CH ff+1+2, you can dash up for df1, sav df1 etc for full combo

Im pretty sure its unsafe too


Ahh, I didn't knew that ff+3 gives the same effect like Lars CH ff+1+2.^^ However, it must be still hard to punish because of the pushback
I don't know that was mentioned but SAV uf+3 doesn't launch anymore, but it gives Wallsplat and is safe
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#15 “Quote” Edit Post
Yeah we found out about the sav uf3, I was bitch about why they did that.
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#16 “Quote” Edit Post
Thread teleport GO!

Also updated first posts, will likely make separate posts for complete movelist, juggles and combos within the next couple of days when we have more info.
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Really hope we can somehow get a full combo from db1, ws4 maybe you can do something with your tag partner. test, test, test!
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It would be totally incongruent with everything they've done to sweeps.
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d/b+1 isn't going to get a buff, there's still people crying about that move.

Cheyne; the forums are hiring, hope you're putting your name down for admin.
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f+2(15frames) is on CH a jugglestarter like Steves b+1 Still safe, but not so huge pushback on block like in T6.
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