Paul Tekken 6 Frame Data

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BlackPriest
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#41 “Quote” Edit Post
Sure, post up the link and I'll add it to the 1st post.
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#42 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by BlackPriest
Sure, post up the link and I'll add it to the 1st post.


https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc...uthkey=CKjq7ekI

Let me know if you need any changes or fixes.

*UPDATE* I redid the whole move list based of the original japanese site due to some errors and confusion on the original translation.
I've also added a full legend and a copy of the original source material I translated from.


Last edited by Keshtath on Oct 2nd, 2010 at 05:09

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#43 “Quote” Edit Post
Great work Keshtath, props!

Added your frame data to to the first post.
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#44 “Quote” Edit Post
According to the spreadsheet

SS+1 is +8 and f+1+2 is +1

If it's accurate, Paul's safe game increased a bit. I will test this soon.
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#45 “Quote” Edit Post
It's accurate.

The only problem is that SS+1 is slow and high, so it's not really usable too much. f+1+2 is a great poke however.
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#46 “Quote” Edit Post
All right! Kudos to Keshtath, you've armed us with awesome info. Thank you.
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#47 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by So Ronery ;_;
All right! Kudos to Keshtath, you've armed us with awesome info. Thank you.


Thanks alot everyone, I've been really working on learning paul and have up to date readable frame data helps.

I've notice a few little changes that I need to make, hoping to get the spread sheet updates soon.

*I've uploaded the updated version, let me know if I missed anything.

P.S. what does d+1,~d do? I cant figure it out.
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#48 “Quote” Edit Post
d+1~d puts you into a crouch position.
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#49 “Quote” Edit Post
Not meaning to be a butthole or anything but what was the point in translating the frame data if it's still in japanese? ( 6rk 214RP and what not).

make sence to have the same notation that this site uses?, b+4, and qcb+2
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look man the move doesnt track sidestep, but if you sidestep it will hit you
steves b+1 isint safe because it only auto guards high and mid, but you can cancel it and block all lows
Jaycees u/f+4,3 is launch punishable on block but if you try to punish it the 1 follow-up will hit you
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#50 “Quote” Edit Post
Originally posted by Shinjin
Not meaning to be a butthole or anything but what was the point in translating the frame data if it's still in japanese? ( 6rk 214RP and what not).

make sence to have the same notation that this site uses?, b+4, and qcb+2


1st link in the 1st post man... He actually translated the Ina notations to TZ notations.
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#51 “Quote” Edit Post
i swear i clicked it and it came up with the japanese one, nvm...............

gremlins and all that.
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look man the move doesnt track sidestep, but if you sidestep it will hit you
steves b+1 isint safe because it only auto guards high and mid, but you can cancel it and block all lows
Jaycees u/f+4,3 is launch punishable on block but if you try to punish it the 1 follow-up will hit you
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#52 “Quote” Edit Post
Sup ShinJin + BlackPriest

Hope my fav Paul players are keeping well -

Just a quick Q - Stuyvesant and I were testing iDeathFist and like ShinJin I was coming up with 13 Frames imo at fastest execution.

I have noted that ATPuddle and the InaTekken lists (which is what ATP is using I think) list the DeathFist at 15 Frames...

That's bukake right? - iDeathFist is 13Frames tested? I know you tested with Zak, so there's no ways he'd be dropping the block or anything dumb like that.

See some of you in a week @ Damage - wish you were joining KazamaShin!

Edit: Oh - also just checking on Paul's 4 as it's also not listed. When Stuyvesant and I tested that (Paul jab for +1F and then immediately press 4 and opponent immediately presses 1 and then you trade) We ended up trading nearly every time.

I have Paul's 4 at 11F - is this right?

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#53 “Quote” Edit Post
well from what i understand you have 2 frame buffer, so d and d/f willb e buffered in to the block and f+2 should do an instant DF, 13f, i've got no way to test it right now as no one is here, but if you find me a move thats -13 for sure i'll try and DF it.

also pauls 4 hits on 2 frames, i think 12 and 13.
Signature Bruck him for souf east, blud

look man the move doesnt track sidestep, but if you sidestep it will hit you
steves b+1 isint safe because it only auto guards high and mid, but you can cancel it and block all lows
Jaycees u/f+4,3 is launch punishable on block but if you try to punish it the 1 follow-up will hit you
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#54 “Quote” Edit Post
What's up bad man? Looking forward to some epic sessions at Dama...

I think the fastest DF is i15. According to the frame data the animation takes 13 frames alone, and how many moves you can buffer into a cd varies from char to char (at least Aris said Drag's cd does not allow any buffers), so it might very well be possible that you need to do a:

frame 1: d (buffered into recovery)
frame 2: d/f
frame: 3: f+2
frame 15: hit

I might be wrong (though usually I don't have a problem with fast qcf inputs), but from matches I really think i15 is the fastest. Try punishing a close range DF (-15) with DF, it's pretty hard...

Shin, shredder kicks or f,f+3,4 are both -13...

Regarding his magic 4, I think it should be indeed i12 at least, not i11. It doesn't trade with Law's i11 magic 4, but gets counter-hit.
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#55 “Quote” Edit Post
Sup sup -

Yeah man Dama is going to be retardedly awesome - it could also turn into a bit of a Paul fest thanks to Sabri's charts - ninja. lol

Thanks so much for the info guys -

So there is a possibility that Death Fist is actually i15 and can't be buffered to get the i13. I should work with i15 until shown otherwise. cool

DeathFist Punishment is pretty weird though - if Paul Deathfists the opponent from right in front of them - the punishment is -15 and if Paul does a slightly ranged DeathFist --- the punishment is -17 and Hwoarang can launch.
I don't always see it listed like that on framedata sheets. But we tested that - if Paul DF's Hwoarang from up close, there is no -17 b+3 Hwo launcher.

Can't believe Paul's 4 is i12 ---- I already don't like Paul's 4 and now I find out it's slower - no man. lol

Thanks again - hope to see you both soon. awei
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#56 “Quote” Edit Post
Hahaha yeah, it will be retardedly awesome.

Np. Yes, imo even if you could buffer the d of Paul's qcf into a recovery (which isn't the case imo, just like with Mishima crouch dashes), it would still be i14, not i13. Inatekken states it at 13(~15) which should be correct, so it takes 13 frames to come out from the f:2 starting frame (w/o inputs).
I'd be happy if somebody could prove me wrong though.

And yes, deathfist is -15 on close range block and -17 on far range block, Ina even states it like this. Some chars canl rape you even for the far range version.

His magic 4 is ok at i12 imo (not every char can have a broken ass i11 magic 4, lol), the only thing I hate about it is that it is impossible (or is it just me?) to get the dash jab combo on a very very max range CH 4.
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#57 “Quote” Edit Post
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Lol FoxSteve mate how are you? Did you guys get home safely from Frankfurt? I left you guys a few lines in the Dama thread...

Sick Paul and Steve folks!

Oh and sorry we woke you up on Sunday, we just wanted to say goodbye! Stuy was impossible to wake up lol, if he didn't breath I guess we would have though he was dead, hahaha.
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Yeah Surprise ButtSex is always good - glad you managed to catch me before you left. lol

Snorted those lines you left me... - good shit.

Need to do this again - my next Euro event will 10-1 be UTXIII - so make sure you keep that part of the year open and we'll do some fisting round that time bro. gs
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HAR HAR.

Good shit, I am obviously planning to go to the next UT too, so we might meet again for some more matches and trash talk!

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