Hey man, don't start shit. There's enough garbage and bickering on the forums.

BIGWORM and 725,
Don't start up useless flames. That is something I will not tolerate.

As for oki options, here are some simple ones:

1+2 ch, uf+3

qcf+3+4, uf+3

4~3, delayed 3, uf+3, if they roll back after uf+3, f+2

Opp against the wall on the ground:
f+3+4, 4(see if it hits or not), 2(only if the 4 hits, if not throw that shit)

b+3 to infinity until they learn to get up, then throw or db+4 to more b+3s

1+3 throw fucking owns the 1 breaker command throw due to oki options. db+3_f+3+4 series_uf+3 all work well depending on what your opponent does.

hope that helps,

conk out,
not tired of boxing, just..

ENJOYING KEEPING THE OPP PINNED!!!!

** wrong thread ** .... DOH!

any good wall oki? .... db+4 is too slow

Last edited by Lucent97 on Dec 23rd, 2004 at 00:21

Everyone is hopelessly thinking they're still on Tekken 4 with the 2 break. 1+3 throw does own. Wall game is worse than Tekken 4 wall pushing.

qcf mixups in general are best for an oki. Train your opp with qcf+3+4 a couple times, then qcf+4 for oki launcher then (SDW) 2, 1, f, F+3, 1, f+4. I even think qcf+1+2 is even good for a delayed oki (does that crumple stun on CH btw?).

Does Raven have any tech catches? It's clear what to do if my opponent stands up/rolls away, but I'm not sure about techrolls/siderolls.

SDW okizeme troubles me even more. It seems that without DR f,f+3+4 Raven doesn't have good lows from SDW. Or maybe I just can't use his moves properly?

Any help would be appreciated.

P.S. I realise that everyone play DR, but not me with my PS2. Damn you Namco!

i'm sure this is posted elsewhere on this forum, but d/b+4, d/b+4 gives you a nice u/f+3 or b+3 tech catch.

in 5.0 Raven doesn't really have any good lows from SDW. SDW d+4_1, the quick lows, at least let you keep the momentum; SDW d+3 is ok if you have distance, and up close you can mix it up with [D~n,]1+2. also, i think that holding D/B when in SDW is maybe a better option than a low if you expect them to just block cause of WS moves or buffering the qcf/crouch dash goodness for mind games.

techroll? when would your opp have an chance to techroll?

maybe i'm confused, but raven's juggle dmg isn't all that hot by itself so i put oki options at the end of my juggles. ie

ws+1 ff+3 1 1 ff~d/f+44 spike ender, no tech roll. i almost always try to use d/f+44 to end my juggles and i can't really think of a situation where raven can KND /and/ he's close enough for tech options afterward. same goes for juggles that end with [B]+4,4 into SDW wakes.

my oki off the d/f+44 ender is 3~4 into SDW mixups. usually f+4,3.

ws+1 ff+3 1 [B]+44 SDW f+4,3 w! f+3+4,4,2 is ridiculous.

really though. how many KND opportunities does raven get where the opp can tech?

edit: my bad. 3~4 is flipping terrible for oki. i didn't know just how bad it is on block ..

Last edited by tulip_sniper on Dec 5th, 2008 at 23:56